Request Snapshot from Nord Modular

tomtakestooth · Joined: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 23 Location: London

Hi guys,

I seem to remember seeing something somewhere (possibly on this forum) about requesting a snapshot of all MIDI CC values from a NM patch.

I know this is possible by going through the menu on the NM, but is there a MIDI command that can be sent from an external controller to get this, as it takes a while to go through the menu and can get pretty annoying when performing live.

We've got a Behringer BCR2000 hooked up to it, and would be sweet if we could assign a button on there to send the controller snapshot over to the BCR2000 after selecting a new patch on the NM. Don't really know anything about sysEx, but am I right in thinking i could use that?

Any ideas?

Thanks

Tom
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tomtakestooth · Joined: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 23 Location: London

after many hours looking around on here and other places, it seems this is not possible.... such a shame.

adnauseam · Joined: Mar 27, 2013 Posts: 147 Location: Manitoba, Canada

This would be very handy. The results would be something like the G2's Patch variations.

I'm going to investigate this as well. I know you could at least get a constant snapshot from the knobs as long as they're assigned to MIDI CC values. Then you could keep track of the values as they're spit out.

There may not be a way to get module parameter values..

But now that I think of it.. Does changing a module parameter on the hardware unit with the rotary knob result in value changes in the software? That may be an alley to go down, but may require a kludge. Hmmmm. It may be that these module values are only transferred out the PC midi ports.

I'll think about it some more.

egw · Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:08 am Post subject:

Unless you're going to run out of patch locations, you can just save each variation as a different patch, then send program change messages to switch between them. Of course the sound will not be continuous.

gomidas · Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:46 am Post subject:

Try this for slot A, I've made it by recording the editor demo midi out but I can't remember if it's for the G2 or G1..

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dean · Joined: Jun 06, 2013 Posts: 1 Location: Scotland

I've followed this forum for some time but thought this thread is a good time to chime in.

I have discussed this with the team at clavia who gave me their usual replies of 'not supported any longer'.

I have done a LOT of looking into requesting snapshots and how it works using a little 'observer' I created in max msp.

It seems that the sysex message that 'ctrl snapshot' sends is patch specific rather than channel specific.

My findings are this -

It is possible but it is patch specific, you'd have to use some sort of listener to figure out the snapshot request from each patch and send the messages from something like pure data or max msp.

I wanted this to restore a patch to its default state after changing many parameters (picture bringing the filter cut off and env paramater down and restoring them both with a quick hit of a button) but it was too much hassle creating different messages for each patch.

hope this gives some clarity to a long asked question.

cappy2112 · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:40 am Post subject:

Yot · Joined: Jul 13, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: CA

Hi guys,

Long time but I figured out how to ask for Controller Snapshot bypassing the Editor (at least for the Micro Modular).

The thing is that you'll have to use the Editor's Midi input and output (PC in and PC out) to transmit Sysex Messages.

To ask (to Nord Micro Modular) the CC Snapshots :
F0 33 5C 06 'xx' 55 'yy' F7

xx and yy are incrementing + 1 each time you load another patch.

When you power up the device :
xx = 00 (value 0)
yy = 5A (value 90)

The alternative is to get the xx value from the nord.

To get the xx and yy values, you have to listen the Sysex from the Nord Modular. Each time you load a patch, the beginning of the Sysex string is :
F0 33 50 06 XX <- Here's the good value.

So get this value for xx, add 90 to get yy.

To get things more complicated :
xx max is 3F (value 63), then it goes to 0
yy max is 7F (Value 127) then goes to 0

I made a max/msp patch to manage that. I can share it with you if you're interested.

Cheers.

Moody33 · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:48 pm Post subject:

Thanks you Yot!

Moody33 · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:55 pm Post subject:

What about the "save in synth" sysex ? Could be useful to save modified patches ( with the assigned knobs only) on the fly. Do you think it's possible?

Yot · Joined: Jul 13, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: CA

Moody33 · Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:12 pm Post subject:

Yot · Joined: Jul 13, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: CA

Moody33 · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:50 pm Post subject:

Great job Yot!

I will test it (do you?) later. I have a "CMU 2midi" midi interface I want to use to send sysex via an android app, but I'm not sure it will work because it seems to be not compatible with the editor. What is your midi interface?
Did you try to get the Sysex for patches Load when opening a .pch file store on the computer? The idea behind this is to have all nord patches on a tablet and be able to send them to the nord without the need of a computer.

Thanks you and sorry for my english.

Yot · Joined: Jul 13, 2016 Posts: 19 Location: CA

blue hell · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:20 pm Post subject:

On my old website you may find (pointers to) useful information re. the subject.

http://www.iaf.nl/Users/BlueHell/index.htm

under 'nord modular' and 'nm open'.

You could also try to google for Marcus Andersson's patch loader software which may be of interest. Also of course http://nmedit.sourceforge.net/index.html which was the end result of all the information gathering.

Sorry, no direct solutions, but there is some old info out there which might save some work.

blue hell · Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:22 pm Post subject:

Oh and also http://nmedit.sourceforge.net/developer.html

Moody33 · Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:53 am Post subject:

Thanks you Yot. I will take a look as soon as possible (I'm on Holiday...).
Thanks Blue Hell as well.

malmi315 · Joined: Jan 18, 2017 Posts: 3 Location: Argentina

I'm trying to "save in synth" in a G2 engine via sysex without luck. Any thoughts ?

Thank you in advance !