NM Classic Trade-In Offer

cebec · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: NM Classic Trade-In Offer

Wow, what the hell???
And what do you suppose they're going to do with the Classics once they get them?

http://www.clavia.se/news/nmoffer050603.htm

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:23 am Post subject:

Uh.. well.. give them away to artistic but starving russian children? I am close eh? Right?

Or are they to be buried deep underground someplace near Kiruna?

That is a nice deal, but frankly.. the NM-1 series are excellent instruments still. It would be so sad to see most of these go. Imagine Bob Moog announcing a similar trade-in offer?

cebec · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:38 am Post subject:

My thoughts, exactly -- Classics are superb, flexible instruments regardless. By no means are they 'obsolete' or 'unusable' -- It's a curious move. I wonder how well they'll do. I'm actually considering getting a micro or holding out for a deal on a KB or rack. Shouldn't have gotten rid of it in the first place -- I want one just to have one, even!

Tusker · Joined: Feb 03, 2005 Posts: 110 Location: Texas

I find it to be interesting that they don't differentiate between a G2 and G2X. One of the limitations of the G1 that I feel strongly about, is the lack of reverb and delay. I find that I am hobbled by the need to change effects with patches.

I know the G2 has an improvement in the delay lines, but is this sufficient to do simple delay, as you would in say a virus or rompler synth? I realize it's no Eventide. But I'm just looking to dress up some sounds, primarily for live applications. Also is there any reverb capability at all? Can you construct rooms and plates with it?

Thx,

Jerry

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:52 am Post subject:

Cebec, I reposted this one in the gear section. We can keep the discission here though.

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:02 am Post subject:

I have the NM-1 keyboard version with the expansion thingie. I think it awesome and I cannot even see any G2 series device to be a substitution for it. However, I can see the G2s are "better".. well.. you know...

The NM-1 is a grand substitution for a lot of the Roland modular gear though. Here in my studio it does the System 100 and 700 tasks.. magnificently.

I see the lack of real delay and reverb in the NM-1 being a "problem". In the old days you would have level adapaters and route the signal to outboard and then back to the modules. Personally I see compressors/limiters, reverbs and delays to be an important part of synthesis. I know this can be argued, but that is how I see it. Anyway, my NM-1 will stay where it is. I love it.

Soundwise, it has that Roland late 70s / early 80s analog sound ( System 100/ System 700, ProMars, SH2 etc ) I like that sound, but it is quite possible to fatten it significantly towards some of those Yamaha CS style sounds/ some of the Oberheims and the Moogs. And it can also sound "modern" and digital. Bottom line: the NM-1 series is a classic line of synths.

seraph · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:28 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:51 am Post subject:

That might be the case. The offer can be understood as an official statement from Clavia stating that the NM-1 series truly is obsolete. This technically might of course also be true, but the NM-1 series is still a line of great instruments.

Kassen · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:27 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:39 am Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:45 am Post subject:

True, that, but isn´t the current value of a second hand NM a bit over 500?

jksuperstar · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject:

There used to be a mission statement somewhere on the Clavia site that was along the lines of "We make products that are intended to last a lifetime, and never go out of style". I can't find this statement on teh website anymore.

That said, I think they beleive in the G2, and want to sell more. The NM1 did have a good run for several years, far longer than many synths get today. It'd be nice if more people had the G2, since I'd expect more updates and improvements on Clavia's part to that end. None the less, nobody said you *have* to trade in your NM1. But I think it's a nice gesture on Clavia's part, and might enforce their commitment to the G2.

Afro88 · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject:

Well, at this point it´s all specualtion; the G2 is a hard machine to market and Clavia isn´t known for being very open but I think there´s some interesting stuff going on. I don´t know what you guys think about the new look of the promotional material, but in adition to the removal of the "lifetime" quote the whole site, posters and folders look a lot more modern and agressively flashy these days.

It´ll be interesting to see how it all develops.

Wout Blommers · Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject:

The wrong assumption is the thought NM Classic users only lacked € 500 to buy a G2 or G2X. IMHO Clavia never thought about the fact these synths also sound right and most of the users are working with Patches made to the Classic. To get this group updating towards a G2 can be done only by releasing a Patch Converter.

Wout

Kassen · Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject:

Wout Blommers · Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject:

Sure, Kassen.

But I think it's an argument to keep your working gear, instead of buying new. I don't believe money is the factor here, so why offering a trade-in offer?

I keep my Classics along side the G2X!

Wout

Kassen · Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject:

Yes, indeed. I firmly beleive that good gear, on a personal level, increases, not decreases, in value, as you get to know it.

From that perspective selling is a very bad idea.....

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject:

I hope Clavia will tell us how many actually accepted the offer.

3phase · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:10 am Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:11 am Post subject:

Very good points 3phase, I´m much in agreement with many of them. For me the shift registers and related modules are realy the most exciting new thing in the G2 but that´s largely a matter of taste. I do maintain that the DAC´s influence it all, particularly because I spot the same sound in the lead series starting with the second which is also the point at which Clavia switched, as far as I know. Anyway, I realised that thing might simply be some strange thing in my own hearing; some people hear it too, many don´t and still others describe the G2´s high in ways quite unlike how I hear it. It´s all fine with me now.

BTW, I happen to have the first Tresor compilation on Nova-Mute lying around here, that´s you, isn´t it?

deknow · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject:

...as a customer (g2 owner), i find it reassuring that clavia is making the option available. i doubt it will get all the nmclassics off the street, and i doubt that is the goal. providing an upgrade path for those that want to stay "current" is great customer support, even if not everyone takes it....it makes _me_ feel like i'm not trapped with this hardware if something that suits my needs better is to come along later.

deknow

cappy2112 · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:01 am Post subject:

davep · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: NM Classic Trade-In Offer