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dslocum
Joined: Jul 20, 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Toms River NJ
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:51 am Post subject:
Reproducing 741 opamp slew rate |
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Guys,
I'm stumped on this one. How do I emulate (hardware) the slew rate of a 741 opamp with modern opamps (OA) like the TL071? The slew rate should be constant with linear slope and still allow me to adjust the loop gain with a standard resistor feedback network.
I've tried a simple integrator cap from (-) to Output but the OA gets weird - the signal likes to favor the negative rail and I don't know enough about the internals to know how to fix it.
I'd also like to control the OA gain with standard resistor feedback but then the feedback cap just causes phase shit in the output - as expected.
I've tried some combinations of RC networks and zeners in the FB loop, but they never give me what I need.
Any help is appreciated. |
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analogmonster

Joined: May 30, 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Reproducing 741 opamp slew rate |
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dslocum wrote: | Guys,
I'm stumped on this one. How do I emulate (hardware) the slew rate of a 741 opamp with modern opamps (OA) like the TL071? The slew rate should be constant with linear slope and still allow me to adjust the loop gain with a standard resistor feedback network.
I've tried a simple integrator cap from (-) to Output but the OA gets weird - the signal likes to favor the negative rail and I don't know enough about the internals to know how to fix it.
I'd also like to control the OA gain with standard resistor feedback but then the feedback cap just causes phase shit in the output - as expected.
I've tried some combinations of RC networks and zeners in the FB loop, but they never give me what I need.
Any help is appreciated. |
Is this just an academic question or do you have a concrete technical problem why you just can't use a 741? _________________ Analogmonster: https://www.analog-monster.de/index_en.html
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dslocum
Joined: Jul 20, 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Toms River NJ
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:26 am Post subject:
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Good point.
Not academic. Since 741s aren't made anymore I'll need them in quantity for a new product design - and obviously don't trust Chinese vendors. |
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analogmonster

Joined: May 30, 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:36 am Post subject:
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dslocum wrote: | Good point.
Not academic. Since 741s aren't made anymore I'll need them in quantity for a new product design - and obviously don't trust Chinese vendors. |
If nothing else helps, creating your own 741 might be an option. I did this with the 1496 balanced modulator when I wanted to simulate a 1496 for a Moog 921 clone project with LTSpice. I took the internal circuit diagram of the 1496, simulated it and it worked, so I was sure to be able to create as much of the 1496 replacement circuits as I want for the case of the chip becoming unavailable.
As the 741 internal circuit is also public domain nowadays, one could build a replacement circuit instead of using a 741. And you could define internal behaviour according to your demands.
Just an idea... _________________ Analogmonster: https://www.analog-monster.de/index_en.html
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dslocum
Joined: Jul 20, 2013 Posts: 19 Location: Toms River NJ
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:10 am Post subject:
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I had cross-posted this subject in ModWigglers and someone pointed out that 741s are INDEED still available. I must have done a search that was specific to LM741, not uA741.
They DO exist, so this is now a moot point. Thanks all for the help. |
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