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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: Dual dual core G5s Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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With four processing cores, you’ll have more 64-bit resources: more L2 cache, more Velocity Engines, and more double-precision floating-point units. Videographers can edit more footage, filmmakers can produce more real-time effects, designers and photographers can process more higher-resolution images, and researchers can crunch through data sets for faster results. Compare a quad-core Power Mac G5 to the fastest dual-processor G5 ever built, and you’ll experience up to 69 percent faster performance running popular professional applications. Or make that up to three times faster, if you’re comparing with a Power Mac G4.

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The new dual-core PowerPC G5 combines two processor cores on a single silicon chip, providing double the computational power in the same space as a single-core processor. With four processor cores, applications can take advantage of four 1MB L2 caches, four 128-bit Velocity Engines, and eight double-precision floating-point units for a radical increase in desktop performance.


64-Bit Memory Addressing
The dual-core PowerPC G5 joins forces with Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger to enable 64-bit computation. With 42 bits of physical address space, the PowerPC G5 supports a colossal 4 terabytes (4TB) of system memory. Although it’s not currently feasible to purchase 4TB of RAM, the advanced architecture of the PowerPC G5 allows for plenty of growth in the future.

More practical and still far more than a typical PC, the Power Mac G5 can be configured with 16GB of addressable memory. Such large quantities of memory enable the system to contain a complex 3D model, massive digital images, a scientific simulation, or a sequence of video entirely in RAM.


64-Bit Computational Power
The other advantage provided by the 64-bit PowerPC G5 is the ability to perform multiple simultaneous 64-bit floating-point and integer calculations. The PowerPC G5 features full 64-bit data paths and data registers, allowing it to express the extreme precision needed for floating-point mathematics and to express integers up to 18 billion billion. By contrast, a 32-bit processor must break these types of computations into multiple pieces — requiring multiple passes through the processor and slowing down application performance.

Eight Double-Precision Floating-Point Units
The PowerPC G5 core contains two double-precision floating-point units, each capable of performing a multiply and an add at the same time. This means a Power Mac G5 Quad, with four processor cores and a total of eight floating-point units, can complete up to sixteen 64-bit floating-point operations in a single cycle.

Such immense computational power accelerates applications in many fields, including audio creation, 3D content creation, and scientific visualization and analysis — resulting in performance levels far beyond those of previous Power Mac generations.


Four Velocity Engines
The Velocity Engine in each core is optimized with two independent queues and dedicated 128-bit registers and data paths for efficient instruction and data flow. This 128-bit vector processing unit accelerates data manipulation by applying a single instruction to multiple data at the same time, known as SIMD processing. With four Velocity Engines, the Power Mac G5 can achieve up to 76.6 gigaflops — almost double the performance of its predecessor.

Vector processing is useful for transforming large sets of data, such as manipulating an image or rendering a video effect. Each Velocity Engine pipeline speeds up these tasks by processing up to 128 bits of data — in four 32-bit integers, eight 16-bit integers, sixteen 8-bit integers, or four 32-bit single-precision floating-point values — in a single clock cycle. That works out to 16 simultaneous 32-bit floating-point operations on a Power Mac G5 Quad.

Too bad Ableton didn´t invest in Altivec support in Live.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

makes me wonder where all this development will lead to after apple goes to intel chips...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual dual core G5s Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Too bad Ableton didn´t invest in Altivec support in Live.

did you add this line yourself?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

.. they keep it up.. but on Intels?

There is always the chance that Apple might make a new line using the really high end IBM CPUs and still stay on Intels for the cute stuff.

The OS itself and the hardware skills at Apple makes you wonder when they will decide to go for the midrange enterprise server market.

On the other hand.. does it matter? These are only products.

As for the Intels.. the obvious place to start is with the laptops. Those are the ones that will benefit the most from the Intel switch.

Trivia: AFAIK the new G5 line just might get a serious speed boost due to optimization of the OS in pending updates.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual dual core G5s Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

seraph wrote:
elektro80 wrote:

Too bad Ableton didn´t invest in Altivec support in Live.

did you add this line yourself?


Yes. Laughing
And that would really have made a difference.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dmosc wrote:
makes me wonder where all this development will lead to after apple goes to intel chips...


I don't think that apple will loose much (seeing that there's dual x86 chips from both AMD & Intel available), they just need to re-optimize for the PC. In fact, PC's apps could use a lot of re-optimizing themselves.

Ahh, how I love to Gentoo (source based Linux).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The new iMac G5 20" looks good too Smile

Have you also noticed that the Powerbook range have dropped in price significantly?

I just wish they were releasing their new Intel Powerbooks tomorrow- because my University have just offered me a brand new laptop Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Quad-core - hmm. All I'd need now is music software that would need a computer of this speed. I'm on a dual 2.0GHz G5 and I can run Logic 7 with a truckload (ie several dozens) of instatnces of CPU hoggers like Absynth 2, Sculpture, Ultrabeat, and Space Designer reverb, before I need to start freezing.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Qualium wrote:
Quad-core - hmm. All I'd need now is music software that would need a computer of this speed. I'm on a dual 2.0GHz G5 and I can run Logic 7 with a truckload (ie several dozens) of instatnces of CPU hoggers like Absynth 2, Sculpture, Ultrabeat, and Space Designer reverb, before I need to start freezing.


mhhh..how about a Sony Oxford EQ plug inserted on every channel?...or a waves comp/lim on every channel.....i know i can think of a few things to do with all of that power

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A review: of the quad G5
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual dual core G5s Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
seraph wrote:
elektro80 wrote:

Too bad Ableton didn´t invest in Altivec support in Live.

did you add this line yourself?


Yes. Laughing
And that would really have made a difference.


No, it wouldn't. For the Nth time; Henke talked about testing that optimisation and IT DIDN`T HELP: There have been floods of complaints about Lives performance in the Mac, people were buying IBM compatibles because of it; if it could've been fixed it would've been. Most of that issue revolves around laptops; Live typically gets installed on a laptop and even if for some magical reason Live could run 200% faster on a G5 the that still wouldn't matter since you can't put a G5 in a laptop anyway.

Without a doubt this is a amazing design and I'm sure it will delight people who need to put whole video clips in RAM but your Ableton comment simply doesn't matter here.even if it would turn out that Henke was wrong.

What I think is far more interesting is the question of wether the move from Apple to BSD on Intell will make a Linux port of Live a posibility. That wouldn't be such a huge jump at that stage, at least not technologically. Right now Live represent 90% of me clinging to Windows on one pc and it is actually making me look at a live setup of only hardware backed by homebrew software. (And no, I'm never going to run OSX as long as the hardware price doesn't drop and Aqua can't replaced with Gnome or Fluxbox)

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