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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:48 am    Post subject: EQ I found Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I found this 10 band stereo graphic EQ at the recyclers for $5 today. I was wondering whether it's worth modifying it and installing it as part of my synth. It's originally for a car, so it runs off +12V. If I bypass the 30W amps it could be good for contouring the sound. But where to put it? After the VCF? After the VCA? It's got LEDs on the sliders which chase along with the help of a 4017. Could look really good, but will the sound justify the hassle?
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh, it is one of those EQ/stero amp jobs??

I guess the EQ itself is quite messy and the pots are probably noisy. If it works why not use it as a portable amp for your soundlab? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah that's the kind.
It's a Voxson.
Portable amp would be nice, but my Soundlab isn't really portable anyway. I 'spose at the least I could pull the faders out and use them for some other project.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Yeah that's the kind.
It's a Voxson.
Portable amp would be nice, but my Soundlab isn't really portable anyway. I 'spose at the least I could pull the faders out and use them for some other project.


Pay attention to what kind of current it draws, I've tried a similiar car EQ thing and it drew waaay too much.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Actually, those faders might be scratchy, but you should test the device first and see what you can make of it. Some of those integrated designs are hard to split - ( in your case into a working EQ and a working amp ).
Keep in mind that you can use the box for powering a plastic tube delay or other silly stuff. Silly stuff is what makes the world go around. Very Happy

Hmm, throw in that Voxson, some MDF, some loudspeakers, springs and wires, some microphones and plastic tubes.. some hinges and stuff.. and you can make yourself a doppler ADSR module for the Soundlab. Hmm.. you would need some opamps and stuff too.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mi_dach wrote:
Pay attention to what kind of current it draws, I've tried a similiar car EQ thing and it drew waaay too much.


Very true. Some of those integrated car thingies aren´t easy to split up into a working EQ and a working amp. I tried to do the same with a late 80s Kenwood eq/amp box and it was a nightmare. The EQ was in some weird way integrated way into the middle of the poweramp stage.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:

Hmm, throw in that Voxson, some MDF, some loudspeakers, springs and wires, some microphones and plastic tubes.. some hinges and stuff.. and you can make yourself a doppler ADSR module for the Soundlab. Hmm.. you would need some opamps and stuff too.


OMG Shocked
That could actually work.

I need more more coffee!! and fast. Shit, I always come up with hardware ideas when I am supposed to work on the music.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Eq....power amp.....
the words diy PLATE reverb come into my head for some reason.

or sell at the next one for $6 and take a 20% profit.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i read recyclers as a boot sale.....
(clearup the incomprehensible!)
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I´ve got a eq like that. The filters i don´t want to use, but those Faders with the leds will make a great sequencer.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm thinking you're right (or ADSR controls) I've got 10 and they're stereo so I figure they're worth alot more than $5 if I was looking for new! If I find another one I'll have enough for a 16 step sequencer. Very nice!
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I know I am repeating myself, but do test those slide pots. If that thing has actually been in a car, then it most probably is full of dust and sand and oily goo. Shocked Those parts are the ones that die first anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Don't worry Stein I'll check 'em and I'll clean 'em. But when you have the amount of available funds that I do, you get excited about the little things Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dude i have got alotta slide-pots i have salvaged from things. i wish it was easier to cut a nice 'slot' in a panel.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
..available funds..
Shocked

A viking raiding party is on its way.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I was thinking of that also. in my case those pots are 20k. Do you think it´s possible to build a decent envelope, or lag, with 20k pots? My EQ has 20 faders, so that would be 16 steps, glide up/down, ofset and level. Wold be nice. I guess a large cab would be needed which reduces the minimum atack. I´ll try it anyhow, if i´m not happy, those are standard 60mm faders so i could see if i find some 1M log faders that fit
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What I meant is that I have no available funds. So chances are that your viking raiding party may be slow roasted over hot coals and then covered in satay sauce!! Shocked
I reckon the best way to cut a nice slot is with a dremel rotary tool, or if you don't mind a slightly wider one go for a nibbling tool. If you have more than 2 to do then it's gonna get tedious no matter how you do it.
Yeah, ADSR might be better with larger value sliders. Or go through a vactrol. I'm thinking that a sequencer would be the best way to use them. Especially with the LEDs hooked up as step indicators. It could look really professional.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you are going to use it as a fixed filter bank, then try it in front of the VCF. I found on my Moog that was the most satisfying place to patch such a device. If there is noise in the filters then the VCF will attenuate some of it.

Most probably it is not going to work very well because it has the band frequencies exponentially spaced (every octave or 1/3 octave) for example.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
If you are going to use it as a fixed filter bank, then try it in front of the VCF. I found on my Moog that was the most satisfying place to patch such a device. If there is noise in the filters then the VCF will attenuate some of it.

Most probably it is not going to work very well because it has the band frequencies exponentially spaced (every octave or 1/3 octave) for example.


Good advice.
As for the equal spacing, old inexpensive car stereo EQs are usually way off in any way imagineable. Very Happy

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