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Can Modular be used as computer's sound card?
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:38 am    Post subject: Can Modular be used as computer's sound card? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I am *seriously* considering picking up a modular G2... Is this a feature of the hardware?

Any suggestions of similar products that can use their sound routing as the in/out for computer recording and bussing? I know that Access does this with their virus machines. any others?

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't have any answer to your question, but why would you want to use a synth as a soundcard?
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

because i would imagine that the AD/DAs are good quality and it would therefore eliminate the need for an electronic musician such as myself to buy a separate sound card if I didn't require preamps or XLR plugs. It would also be very handy for recording/working on the road.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No, won't work. I don't think it could either because it's USB1.0 and I don't think that can strech to 4*96KHz*24 bits, most certainly not full duplex.

It wouldn't make any sense either because far superior DA converters can be bought for far less and you'd end up summing your computer and synth before your mixer which would take headroom.

Access made a good sounding synth (I can't think of any digital hardware that sounds as good, eccepting some 70's stuff) but none of what they did after that made any sense to me at all.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yarmark wrote:
because i would imagine that the AD/DAs are good quality


No. THe G2 has the worst DACs I ever heard. Worse then a soundblaster 16, even worse then those atrociously sharp sounding things found in Apple laptops that make everybody sound like IDM.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The USB connection is just for the software control of the G2 and not for audio and midi.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for the opinions and infos both of you. the world never turns out to be as perfect as I want it to be.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I wouldn´t say the DACs are the worst ever but there is a certain character to the sound that might be OK for an instrument but not for a modern DAW.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, ok, enough about the DAC'S.

I still think it's a bad idea even if we'd be talking imaginary perfect DAC's because except for the situation where the PC and the G2 would be your only gear and digital summing would be desired or acceptable it would create a gain-structure nightmare.

Good soundcards need not break the bank anymore. Some of the EMU pci cards are quite reasonable in price and and the "m" versions sound marvelous.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

By the way; some modern soundcards that come build in to motherboards feature a optical output but bad build in DAC'S; on a tight budget you could experiment with using the optical output directly to a modern HIFI amp.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:


Good soundcards need not break the bank anymore. Some of the EMU pci cards are quite reasonable in price and and the "m" versions sound marvelous.


Kassen, have you experimented with the EMU 1616 cardbus interface?
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
even worse then those atrociously sharp sounding things found in Apple laptops that make everybody sound like IDM.


haha, i'm so glad someone else notices this.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Can Modular be used as computer's sound card? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yarmark wrote:
I know that Access does this with their virus machines.


I think it would be more correct to say that Access 'tries' to do this with the Virus TI.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yarmark wrote:

Kassen, have you experimented with the EMU 1616 cardbus interface?


Yes, I'm exceptionally pleased with the 1616m, I use one on my laptop. Do get the "m" because the plain 1616 uses the same DAC's as the G2.

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haha, i'm so glad someone else notices this.


He he he, you should hear Rob about those things...

I mean; they are ok for system sounds when sitting on the cough or whatever but this idea that Mac cards are so good that you can plug one directly into a PA is a bit silly. I do think they suffer less from data from the mouse/hd/lcd leaking into the sound then many PC build in cards but that's hardly saying anything.

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
because the plain 1616 uses the same DAC's as the G2.


Same sound as the G2 ?

(just curous if maybe the same DACs in a different design could sound diferent).

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Kassen wrote:
because the plain 1616 uses the same DAC's as the G2.


Same sound as the G2 ?

(just curous if maybe the same DACs in a different design could sound diferent).


My opnion is that, yes, same DACs with different implementations will sound different.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

what are opinions, if any, about RME dac's? i want a fireface bad despite the price.


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Ithink RME makes top quality stuff in general. I never heard anything but praise about them.

As for the G2/1616 thing; I'm not sure because I never heard a 1616 in action. I did look up the spec-sheets and those DAC's have a filter that can configured through software so yes; different implementations could very well sound radically different.

Also; I kinda regretted making fun of the sb16 because the sb16 even if it's cheap will always perform. I think every system under the sun has drivers for it so that's worth something too...

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In general, the RME gear is quite good.
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yarmark wrote:

Kassen, have you experimented with the EMU 1616 cardbus interface?

I also have a 1616m cardbus, works like a charm. Very good sound, and even has a good handling of high signal levels, for those situations when someone else has a signal to add to the mix Smile But those "m" grade ADC's are just wonderful. The patchmix does a lot of cool things, but only goes 1/2 way to what it really should be (like allowing the use of control surfaces, etc).

Anyway, it's worth the price. I've never heard anyone complain about the sound of RME, only the price. And they support any major OS, so that's always a good thing as well.
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what are opinions, if any, about RME dac's? i want a fireface bad despite the price.


James


It all depends on features and what you what to use it for. In general the RME gear is excellent. Depending on what you are actually going to use it for, you might like to look into stuff like the Echo Audiofire series and the latest Apogee stuff too. A lot of the MOTU gear is quite good too.

Trivia: At the moment I am working my way though some recordings of orchestral percussion done with the Echo Audiofire 12. These are really sweet.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yes this would be awesome and puts the G2 in the back seat in comparison to say the T1 etc however the G2 makes up for this in its sound which is quite nice. But yes each new product is like a swiss army knife now days doing everything the G2 is not entirely like that but boasts other powerful features such as its 4 individual inputs allowing extensive processing I hope this is of some help. Oh yes I have a fireface and LOVE it I love RME anyway... used to do tech support for em too. But again there are so many new products coming out its staggering. Aside from converter quality look towards low latency Drivers indeed.
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