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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

paul e. wrote:
seraph wrote:
paul e. wrote:

there is the saying 'those who do, dont talk about it'

those who know don't speak and those who speak don't know, right?


i cannot speak about it... heh

me neither Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

seraph wrote:
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welcome to electro-music.com Very Happy

Thanks seraph, hope I can be a useful contributor to discussions!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Thanks seraph, hope I can be a useful contributor to discussions!

you are welcome, we are looking forward to it Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Getting Inspiration Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

One technique which I use to sometimes get almost non-stop musical ideas is - although possibly a little ego-centric - to imagine that you are just at the start of a concert, any concert will do, and the crowd are anticipating the start of something special.

You have use your imagination to its fullest sometimes but it can certainly be enough to get the muse going, to the point where you have to let juicy bits leave your mind and hope that they return, (which leaves me with the question of how others trap their inspiration before it's lost forever, but perhaps that's another thread).

I think once ideas start coming they don't stop. 'It doesn't rain, it pours' as we say in the UK.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ed A. wrote:
I had the same problem and I found it was due to fear of failure.


I personally like fiddling with music at home and recording because I don't have to show it to anybody if I don't want to. As opposed to working out in a gym, taking classes, or other stuff that requires some kind of community from the start, you can do the most outrageously stupid thing in your home studio and no one will need to know about it (at least if you keep the volume down).

Some people suffer from self-criticism. Fortunately I'm not one of them.

/Stefan

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have an unhealthy need for perfection. I have to get everything just right, so I focus too much on little details. That's why I hardly finish any songs.

BTW, this is somewhat off-topic. What's a good DAW that will be the easiest to record/stop/erase and retry/add on to the end of the track/record a new one/stop/record again, etc.?

I find that if I spend more time fiddling with just trying to lay down tracks, the less time I think about the important stuff - like which weird sound to mix with what random pedal.

Besides Fruity Loops, I only have Cubase - which is getting on my nerves for some reason.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I should also mention that I've been looking at Audacity. The only thing I worry about is MIDI for VST instruments (which I may still use) and a piano roll editor for them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Try reaper.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
Try reaper.


Brilliant! Shocked

Thanks a lot! Will do.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

play wrote:
Motivation, inspiration. They're different things. I find that motivation cycles for me. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's there but I have no inspiration and so what comes out is forced or sort of routine.

If you are really unmotivated there is only one cure. Do it. I find that doing ridiculous things help to get me motivated. If you usually make structured music, make some hellish noise. If usually you make amorphous blobs, try working in a rigid structure or a well-defined genre.

Do a headstand. Do acting excercises like displaying as many emotions as you can in a minute, or talking gibberish. It sounds silly but it works for me. In fact, it works so well for me that I talk gibberish all the time, or make up characters and become them for an hour or so.

The important thing is to get the door open. It's simple inertia. Objects in motion tend to stay in motion and non-moving objects tend to stay still unless some external force is applied, in this case, your will. If you can muster enough energy to get started, know that it will get easier.

It's kind of a zen thing too. When the student of zen receives a koan, the first thing they do is shout "PA!" or clap their hands really loud. This shatters the space, temporarily derails your train of thought allowing something fresh and unanalyzed to appear, something from the well.

that's my two cents. good luck.

This is really interesting!

I've been riding my bike a LOT lately and that has helped with the thought process. I also quit drinking and that has helped with the motivation.

Getting your workspace set up in a comfortable way is really important.

I just want a guitar now:)

Oh and I found this
http://www.stretta.com/~matthew/resources/oblique/
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Bill Fox Wrote:
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If you hear stuff in your head, then you have musical inspiration. What I think you might have is process block; the fear to turn on the power switch.


This is so true. I believe sometimes too much gear is not good. Lots of gear your not familiar with as you should be can be stifling. I say, take a few bits of musical gear and software and learn them WELL. Know them so well that you don't even have to think about how to use them. Your energy will then be spent on more of the creative process and not the technical aspect of making music.

I also agree with Greg about just playing around in the studio and trying some "experimentation" ....

Hope this helps ....

On a more mainstream note, Liam Howlett of the Prodigy suffered from the very same thing you are. He found he had to stream line the studio and get rid of some gear! NOw most of his composition work is done of his Laptop computer.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This is a great thread and I have been following it with much interest.

As a result of reading posts here I have pondered the question of what inspires me.

What inspires me is my desire to create music. So, for me the question is what keeps the desire alive? What is that "magic" thing that keeps the music flowing?

And after pondering this for a while, I have to conclude that for me the thing that keeps me going is....

Deadlines.

Deadlines force me to focus my efforts, to make decisions, to set parameters. They force me to FINISH projects (after all, a project that is 99% finished is an unfinished project). I think too, that deadlines force me to simply get things done without allowing any time for worrying about whether my work is "good enough".

I find that the biggest source of anxiety is if I decide that my next creation will be some kind of deep artistic statement. If I am trying to express some kind of profound thought, I will be stymied because nothing can measure up to the high-fallutin' thoughts in my mind!

If I decide (in the spirit of Larry the Cable Guy) just to get 'er done then I am better off.

Yes, indeed... I would like to think that occasionally my creations are expressive and inspiring -- I have learned just to have faith in myself and focus on getting the job done.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

kkissinger wrote:

Deadlines.


YES!!!
nothin like a little bit of pressure to crank out the jams~!Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: How to get inspiration?
Subject description: Try with "virtual music composer"
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Kruge wrote:
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Hi Kruge,
Try with "Virtual music composer".
It takes the time but...


Hi there!

I've got a problem and maybe here's someone to help me:

I haven't made any new music for quite a long time, I guess it's about over 12 months now, and before that there was allmost nothing for a long time too.

In early 2003 I bought myself some new equippment, hoping that might light up the fire of creativity again.

Now I finally got myself a really nice Mixer, a K2000 and some other additional stuff and... Nothing.

Actually I haven't turned on the studio even once except to connect the new devices and check them.

And it's not that I don't have any ideas going on - actually I've got some pretty good constructs in my head how to use this sound and that, I'm planning tunes. Only that there seems to be a kind of barricade in front of the "Power On" switch of my instruments, something mental.

Has anyone got any idea what I might do to break the ice once more?

[editor's note: corrected spelling of inspriation in the title line --mosc 5-19-05]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ironically,this was just on PBS the other day--

http://www.drwaynedyer.com/?gclid=CLrNyKOO9YYCFRN7NAodTj48Wg
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

frogger wrote:
kkissinger wrote:

Deadlines.


YES!!!
nothin like a little bit of pressure to crank out the jams~!Smile

as the great Duke Ellington used to say:
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

As long as your deadline is for something realistic, deadlines are a good idea. When I have an entire weekend free, my dealine is usually, "finish an entire song by Sunday evening" which might be too lofty a goal. Then, I'll have so much pressure to finish the song that I won't be able to think straight and relax. Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lately I've been using almost everything. Say I record some minutes from my window and I listen to the recording, instead of taking out what's useful, I try and 'recycle' the rest.

The digital domain is perfect for this and it gets you inspired guaranteed! I will take the leftovers, bad overdubs, lousy beats and whatever and process them through audio units, create patches to mangle the sound, run 'm through whatever. The results from all this "trial and error" processing is a lot of potential useful 'new' material!

If that still doesn't lead to any inspiration in creating a piece of music, just take the mangled material and repeat the above suggestions, after a while you'll end up with something close to noise and well, there's filters, s & h, etcetera to continue..

I tend to view digital audio as a big bag of unorganized 0's and 1's, as an alphabet, or music notation symbols. The core remains the same and after 'degrading signals to an extreme it sometimes feels like sculpting/painting with numbers, very inspirational to me.

I hope that was clear, the last bit seemed a bit vague, gehehe! This is by the way not my way of composing music, it's something I try when I just finished something or am working without any purpose.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

opg wrote:
As long as your deadline is for something realistic, deadlines are a good idea. When I have an entire weekend free, my deadline is usually, "finish an entire song by Sunday evening" which might be too lofty a goal. Then, I'll have so much pressure to finish the song that I won't be able to think straight and relax. Mad


Wink Nodding my head in agreement. For me, a free weekend is the kiss of death for music-making.

On those few occasions when I have, say, an entire day or weekend free I never manage to accomplish any music making. Those times are good for rearranging furniture or doing hardware or software work. They are good times to pull out manuals and learn to use software and hardware. However, despite my best intentions, I invariably come up short on musical output.

What I have observed, though can't quite understand, is that my best music-making both in quantity and quality is during times when I am on maximum overload.

I don't set goals that are too realistic! I like goals that are both outrageous and doable. To do outrageous things is more fun than doing reasonable things.

One thing that gets my creativity flowing is that when I am really really excited to get into the studio -- I first take a long walk. The walking is good excercise and it prolongs the sense of longing -- and at those times my brain and thoughts are intensely focused on what I am going to do once I get into the studio.

I am afraid I don't know much about realistic goals. I think many people under-estimate themselves. A goal that is a little beyond what appears doable may, in fact, be quite doable once one commits one's self to it.

Lately, I have been listening to music posts here on electro-music and to hear the creations of others always makes me want to run to my studio and try new things.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kruge, I've been in similar situations as I'm sure we all have in the past.
I know for me the lighting in the place I write is crucial. For some unknown reason I just seem to write better and generally get more inspired in a dimly lit studio. Also, the layout of the room is another thing to consider.

Last but not least, maybe something bigger is on your mind? It's possible you could be stressed or upset about something and it's killing your creativity. We're strange animals!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That leaves two questions! Where is Kruge and how is he doing! Shocked

Kruge! Please return and tell us how you are doing!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello

Erh, being new here, I will be a bit careful not to jump at the phrase that just came into mind, so I'll rephrase it a bit Smile

The romantic things actually works too, a certain long legged columbian girl, that disappeared into fog way too soon, actually made me compose an entire script for a movie (which now is in the works more or less), and I have a slightly humorous theory about the danish philosopher Søren Kirkegaard, that his entire lifework is one long love letter to the love of his life. As we all know this sudden urge to express the reason or thoughts behind our emotions, when love hits (be it happy or unhappy).

So, well (ahem), the smartass rock'n roll suggestion that burned my lips was:

Women (or whatever do the trick in these matters) Embarassed

Happy chasing inspiration.

All the bzt,
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MN wrote:

Women (or whatever do the trick in these matters) Embarassed

sex, drugs and rock'n'roll basically Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A well documented (however slightly exhausting) recipe indeed Cool

M
PS Thx for the well done Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

seraph wrote:
frogger wrote:
kkissinger wrote:

Deadlines.


YES!!!
nothin like a little bit of pressure to crank out the jams~!Smile

as the great Duke Ellington used to say:
Quote:
I don't need time, I need a deadline
Exclamation


"rushing towards a goal is a sublimated death wish. there's a reason they're called deadlines" this Tom Robbins quote is quite interesting..

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