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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very Happy

I found this drawing by Klee that almost looks like circuitry. It would be a cool logo for the sequencer....


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I found this drawing by Klee that almost looks like circuitry. It would be a cool logo for the sequencer....


That's very cool Photon. It would indded look cool chillin in the coener of a panel. That is, if anyone ever gets one built...

Scott, awesome sample. If you don't stop making and posting these, I fear then rest of us won't ever get anything done either...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Scott Stites wrote:


I'm uploading a draft of part of the Klee ops manual. It's the section that attempts to describe what it is the Klee does.

Edit 2: Numbered version uploaded, fixed the figure 22 thing.


Hi Scott,

The manual is fabulous.

I recall you mentioning you had completed the next part on the merge switches? Do you have an update for us?

Thank you for this project!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

We plan to wait until the manual is complete before making it available. We appreciate the comments on the manual - we just wanted to be sure it was on the right track. It should be ready before one has to make a decision whether one wants a Klee or not. This is a very large thread, and the details are so spread out, it's a wonder anybody knows exactly what the Klee Sequencer is or does. Therefore, we feel a reasonably well-written manual, though not absolutely essential, is perhaps a very good thing to have around for knowing what it is and for exploiting the Klee's capabilities to the maximum.

That being said, the true essence of the Klee is that it is not bound by any rules. It will follow them, but it delights in breaking them as well. For example, you'll find that a large number of the samples I've posted always manage to slip in the DSC2000, which is a linear VCO. The Klee doesn't care what it knocks boots with - you flip the switches; you turn the knobs - you'll find something that strikes your fancy, and hopefully will lead you to new musical territory that otherwise may never have occurred to you. For me, that's it's primary value. That's really the whole thing right there. The manual is just a formality.

I personally can't say too much right now. But I will say this: the Klee, which was recently identified as a sub-species of the newly legendary Lunettas, is more a product of the electro-music.community than it is of any one person. There's both provenance and hard work done in the background by certain individuals, and more still even at this writing. But, above anything else, without this community it surely would have died as it started - just another dalliance on the breadboard. As such, it will serve this community.

As for the manual, my personal hope is to make it available both as PDF and paper copy. If the paper copy flies, it will also have a direct connection with a member of this forum (that guy knows who I'm talking about).

We don't claim it's the end-all be-all of sequencers or controllers, or even the best thing since sliced bread. It's just its own thing. It is our sincere wish the Klee will prove itself useful and worm its way into your music, if not your brain; and the part of you not wholly possessed by it will be pleased.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW, very cool find, Photon.

Embarassed The Klee took umbrage with the last sample I posted. She thought it made her sound too pretty and light hearted.

So, here's her retort, recorded around the same time as Gatebus Frenzy, with the same patch, only under random control from the DSC2000 noise generator. As usual, no overdubbing, just one angry little Klee.

I thought I should post it before heading for Colorado (yippee!).

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Photon wrote:

I found this drawing by Klee that almost looks like circuitry. It would be a cool logo for the sequencer....


That's a great find indeed. But I do think it's a tad 'busy' (although I can see K's, L's and E's in there too!). We must also remember copyright. We don't want to upset the estate of Paul Klee either. So it may be worth re-drawing it so it looks more like 'Klee' but still retains the characteristics of the original image/ find. (I've drawn something already on my Palm PDA- but I need to 'beam' it over in Mac OSX- I'm in Windows right now, so later. But see what you can come up with for starters, since you found the image Very Happy )

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I wasn't serious about the logo, but now that you mention it, I think using it as inspiration is a really good idea. I'll do some sketches and post 'em here soon.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Funny, I had been doing some drawing as well already (on paper), nothing I liked though. At first I tried some treatments on the original to make it more graphical, but came to the same conclusion as Tom; too much is happening in the drawing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

Inasmuch as the original drawing is composed of what appears to be (To me); Schematic (The v's looking a bit like op amp symbols), Circuitry, and Musical symbols...

Why not use a composite "photo" of an actual Klee circuit board, schematic and a resultant musical score.

Small portions of each. Overlaid and PhotoShop'd. Mixed and faded into each other to evoke the Klee drawing...

An Abstract result from structured input; like the Klee Seq itself.

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Funny, I had been doing some drawing as well already (on paper), nothing I liked though. At first I tried some treatments on the original to make it more graphical, but came to the same conclusion as Tom; too much is happening in the drawing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hold the bus! (Gate bus 1 to be exact. Laughing )

Paul Klee inspired, non-copyright-infringing logo is on the way! Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Okay,
Here's an idea, I'm not 100% sure that it good enough to be the final logo, but it shows what could be done. Any suggestions welcome.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah that's better. But the crossed lines are not connecting (I'm probably nit-picking because I haven't send in my 'efforts' yet! Laughing )
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Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Here's an idea, I'm not 100% sure that it good enough to be the final logo, but it shows what could be done. Any suggestions welcome.


It's simple, it's graphic, it could be etched, it could be engraved and it's a good idea to have the actual name written, so that's very good.

To my taste though it might be a bit too "perfect" when compared to the original. I mean that the straight lines are very straight, I like the way the bent lines are done better. Also the elements have more weight in your design, I think they should indeed have more weight than the original, but maybe not quite as much as you did.

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To my taste though it might be a bit too "perfect" when compared to the original. I mean that the straight lines are very straight, I like the way the bent lines are done better.


hehe! Great minds think alike Very Happy Jan you must be my Doppelganger!! As I too had exaxtly the same thought Smile

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To my taste though it might be a bit too "perfect" when compared to the original.


Oh, come now. Shouldn't an electronics interpretation have lines more perfect than the original? Admit it, a pc board etched as imperfectly as the Klee sketch would be derided. (I oughta know, having a etched a few boards that deserved derision.)

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Yeah that's better. But the crossed lines are not connecting


So much for my aesthetic sense: I was going to say I'd like more of a gap on the crossed lines, like crossed lines that don't connect in a schematic. (No "hop-overs", please.)
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Randaleem wrote:

Why not use a composite "photo" of an actual Klee circuit board, schematic and a resultant musical score.

Small portions of each. Overlaid and PhotoShop'd. Mixed and faded into each other to evoke the Klee drawing...

An Abstract result from structured input; like the Klee Seq itself.



Are you joking? Shocked No. I think you are really missing the point here. That would be far too complex, way more complex than Photon's Paul Klee discovery. Once more it's got to be something that can be printed easily with the bare minimum of fuss. Keeping the price as low as possible (as well as the logo design as simple as possible too), is the key here.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

richardc64 wrote:
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To my taste though it might be a bit too "perfect" when compared to the original.


Oh, come now. Shouldn't an electronics interpretation have lines more perfect than the original? Admit it, a pc board etched as imperfectly as the Klee sketch would be derided. (I oughta know, having a etched a few boards that deserved derision.)


Hmm interesting point. Can I ask you Richard if you are more technically minded, or artistically minded- from a 'sketching' point of view. Personally I think rectilinear lines are more boring than ones that look 'sketched', but others may have a difference of opinion Confused

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Yeah that's better. But the crossed lines are not connecting


So much for my aesthetic sense: I was going to say I'd like more of a gap on the crossed lines, like crossed lines that don't connect in a schematic. (No "hop-overs", please.)


Laughing "Hop-overs"? Yeah they don't half look terrible!

I think this calls for a competition! What do you think? I could be worth looking at some Joan Miró too? Idea Shocked


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, there's been a lot of talk, but so far, only one entry, so it looks like I win! Wink Laughing
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Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Well, there's been a lot of talk, but so far, only one entry, so it looks like I win! Wink Laughing


not so fast Mr K!

I liked Richardc64's idea of everything being rectilinear, so I drew this;


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Yeah, I like it.

My only two crits would be: -

I think the bottom of the L would make it look a little more like a word, and not just a nice pattern.

Maybe reduce the weight of the left hand side by using just empty circles, instead of grey.

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I liked Richardc64's idea of everything being rectilinear, so I drew this;


Good word, "rectilinear", but I didn't mean to rule out curved "e"s. I only meant the lines should be cleaner. These look good, though -- could be part of a patch diagram, or the representation of the dots and dashes as bit patterns branching in other directions. I agree with Uncle K' about the bottom of the "L."

I don't know about the left side "mirroring", though. The sequencer doesn't have a forward-backward mode. (Or does it? I got confused very early in this thread.) It kind of makes the "K" look like an "X" -- which could symbolize the cross melodies the Klee is capable of creating.

I know -- I'm thinking too much.

When Blue Hell mentioned that Uncle K's submission could be etched or engraved, that stuck with me, and I envisioned a small, medalion-like pc board that could be afixed to the front panel as a logo. How would one etch grey?
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richardc64 wrote:
How would one etch grey?


well yes exactly. But I was just having some fun, and trying to get others to join in, because as Andrew said, "I won"- because no one else had entered.

If the L had a line at the bottom, the image would loose symmetry, but like you also point out, we're thinking too much.

So, I'm gonna suggest that everyone studies Raymond Loewy for a bit, until I (or anyone else too), return. Wink Very Happy


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and....

more 'organic' this time. Still vector graphics though.


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