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Macaba
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:46 am Post subject:
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For anti-aliasing purposes, yes. You want a low pass filter that rolls off at half the sampling frequency. In the real world, you would roll off earlier, to ensure the high frequencies are attenuated sufficently.
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stefano

Joined: Nov 23, 2006 Posts: 33 Location: ITALY
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bugbrand

Joined: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 846 Location: Bristol, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:20 am Post subject:
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I reckon I'm going to make one up shortly too --- Stefano, that's the PCB straight from the project document, right?
All the parts look pretty standard which is good -- reckon I'd use an SSM2210 instead of CA3046 though.. _________________ http://www.bugbrand.co.uk
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v-un-v
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:39 am Post subject:
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fonik wrote: | what about the MS20 interface? (just a guess)
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Indeed
The P-V converter on the MS-20 is what makes this synth so good. I've got the schematic if you need it. (although it isn't hard to find on the net). You can drive both the Soundlab and the SN7 voice from Hz/oct. So no more searching for tempco's?  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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stefano

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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:28 am Post subject:
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v-un-v wrote: | fonik wrote: | what about the MS20 interface? (just a guess)
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Indeed
The P-V converter on the MS-20 is what makes this synth so good. I've got the schematic if you need it. (although it isn't hard to find on the net). You can drive both the Soundlab and the SN7 voice from Hz/oct. So no more searching for tempco's?  |
Why not. Let's have a look at the schematic. Can you post it (otherwise, can you post the link?) |
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bugbrand

Joined: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 846 Location: Bristol, UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:07 am Post subject:
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bugbrand wrote: | I reckon I'm going to make one up shortly too --- Stefano, that's the PCB straight from the project document, right?
All the parts look pretty standard which is good -- reckon I'd use an SSM2210 instead of CA3046 though.. |
Duh, silly-bugs -- of course I then realised that the CA3046 has a pretty different pin-out (14 pin DIL vs 8 pin for starters...)
BUT! Had a closer look and its very easy to mod things for SSM2210 (or LM394) - I'll try it out and then post an image if its of use to anyone.. _________________ http://www.bugbrand.co.uk
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v-un-v
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:34 am Post subject:
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stefano wrote: |
Why not. Let's have a look at the schematic. Can you post it (otherwise, can you post the link?) |
Okay- I'll dig it out, but you'll have to hold your horses until the weekend- I've got to dig my way out of a minefield right now  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Wild Zebra

Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 806 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:32 am Post subject:
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Quote: | You can drive both the Soundlab and the SN7 voice from Hz/oct |
How is this possible? Do you need a converter or something? I have a Korg X-911 guitar synth and I thought it'd be cool to hook up to my Sound Lab (still needs 1v/oct mod) or my yamaha, for a few extra voices and modulations.
I also saw an article on modding the Univox K1/Minikorg for external cv inputs and gate. End result being Hz/V. So I thought about doing that down the line. But, It'd be cool to use my other synths. _________________ "your stripes are killer bro" |
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bugbrand

Joined: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 846 Location: Bristol, UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject:
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Hey Stefano - I got my one working today ---->> after a while though..!..
There's one big error in the project that could cause confusion - in the parts list, IC11 is listed as a 4011 but in the schematic its shown and listed as a 4001 -- !!! --- changing over from a 4011 to a 4001 got things working.
So, its working and tracking a bit, but at the moment its really very unstable - if you try re-triggering notes they'll often repitch themselves. The tuning ain't good at the moment.. HoHum. Maybe I'll try to get a ca3046 'cos I'm currently using an SSM2210 (with suitable cludges)
Anyways, just wondered if you'd identified that problem before... _________________ http://www.bugbrand.co.uk
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v-un-v
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject:
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Wild Zebra wrote: | Quote: | You can drive both the Soundlab and the SN7 voice from Hz/oct |
How is this possible? |
oh dear, another v-un-v guff!
I meant Hz/v
edit; the oscillator frequency is controlled by a linear pot, therefore the control must be a linear response, hence Hz/volt
But yes- the Korg stuff (mostly) is driven by Hz/v- including the MS-20 _________________ ACHTUNG!
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StephenGiles
Joined: Apr 17, 2006 Posts: 507 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject:
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Mmmm, no fundamental extractor, I can't see much possibilty of good stable tracking!  |
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bugbrand

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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject:
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StephenGiles wrote: | Mmmm, no fundamental extractor, I can't see much possibilty of good stable tracking! :roll: |
To which do you refer? The penfold design or the MS20 design?? _________________ http://www.bugbrand.co.uk
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StephenGiles
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject:
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Both. |
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Fernando

Joined: Dec 30, 2006 Posts: 286 Location: Barcelona & Emporda, Spain
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject:
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Here is a V/oct to V/Hz converter that works:
http://rubidium.dyndns.org/~magnus/synths/schematics/
scroll downt to "V/oct to Hz/V converter" or
http://rubidium.dyndns.org/~magnus/synths/schematics/oct2hz.pdf
v-un-v wrote: | fonik wrote: | what about the MS20 interface? (just a guess)
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Indeed :D
The P-V converter on the MS-20 is what makes this synth so good. I've got the schematic if you need it. (although it isn't hard to find on the net). You can drive both the Soundlab and the SN7 voice from Hz/oct. So no more searching for tempco's? ;) |
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stefano

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:58 am Post subject:
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Yeah, it was the eighth message of this post (see previous page of this post, it was a message of mine). Anyway there are other errors (E), the article must have been written in a hurry ! For instance:
E1) - there is listed in the schema of fig.2, for IC7 a CA4046 instead of the proper CA3040 (correct)
E2) - IC2,IC5,IC9 in fig. 2 are CA3140, but in the part list (correct) IC2,IC9,IC10 are CA3140
E3) - spare terminals of pots VR3 and VR5, according to the schematic should be connected respectively to pads 'F' and 'B' (though, I wonder if this is relevant)
Bye
bugbrand wrote: | Hey Stefano - I got my one working today ---->> after a while though..!..
There's one big error in the project that could cause confusion - in the parts list, IC11 is listed as a 4011 but in the schematic its shown and listed as a 4001 -- !!! --- changing over from a 4011 to a 4001 got things working.
So, its working and tracking a bit, but at the moment its really very unstable - if you try re-triggering notes they'll often repitch themselves. The tuning ain't good at the moment.. HoHum. Maybe I'll try to get a ca3046 'cos I'm currently using an SSM2210 (with suitable cludges)
Anyways, just wondered if you'd identified that problem before... |
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bugbrand

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:32 am Post subject:
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Yeah,,,, I really oughta learn to read through everything (..guess teachers were right..)
Question on the MS20 design ---
VR6 -> looks like it needs to be a triple pot ? do such things exist? never heard of them.... _________________ http://www.bugbrand.co.uk
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fonik

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:12 am Post subject:
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oh, and what about a Hz/V to V/oct converter? just in case i wanted try myself on the MS20 interface? _________________
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Fernando

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:10 am Post subject:
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oops, sorry, you are right we need the inverse conversion =:s
The MS20 was a very interesting interface
fonik wrote: |
oh, and what about a Hz/V to V/oct converter? just in case i wanted try myself on the MS20 interface? |
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Wild Zebra

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:28 am Post subject:
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Quote: | oh, and what about a Hz/V to V/oct converter? just in case i wanted try myself on the MS20 interface? |
yep this is what I meant fonik. I want to go out of the X-911 (Hz/V) into a V/oct. Sorry I kinda jumped in here. It's nice to see some progress on this project though. The X-911 tracks pretty well. I don't use it as much as I should. It gets alittle squirrly from time to time. It's all about finding the right picking strength. _________________ "your stripes are killer bro" |
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StephenGiles
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:57 am Post subject:
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The EH Guitar Synthesiser included a decent fundamental extractor which produced a sine wave from any input. As a result it tracked single notes from an electric guitar perfectly. Unfortunately it used 2 x CA3094, but they are still available at Smallbear. |
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Fernando

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Fernando

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject:
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yummy
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