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Floppy

Joined: May 09, 2008 Posts: 66 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:55 am Post subject:
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until the wiring i just used the BOM to build the MPS.
now i have no clue how to proceed with all the J´s.
is there a manual where the wiring is explained ? |
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kkissinger
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Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1451 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject:
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Note that pin #1 is denoted with a square pad.
J11
1) +V
2) Gnd
3) Gnd
4) -V
J12
1) -V
2) Gnd
3) +V
J13
1) unusued
2) R84 Top
J14
1) Impact Send
2) R97 Center
3) R96 Center
4) R38 Top
5) R95 Center
6) R37 Top
7) LP/BP switch - Pole
Noise Send
J15
1) R80 Center
2) R80 Top
3) LED - Cathode
4) LED - Anode
5) R38 Center
6) R84 Center
7) R39 Center
R85 Center
J16
1) R83 Top
2) Shell Send
3) R81 Bot
4) R81 Center
5) LP/BP switch -- BP
6) R78 Top
7) R78 Center
R78 Bot
J17
1) R82 Bot
2) R82 Center
3) R40 Center
4) R41 Center
5) R42 Center
6) R43 Top
7) (Snth?? -- not sure, not using it)
R83 Center
J18
1) R36 Bot
2) R36 Top
3) R36 Center
4) Trigger In
5) R79 Bot
6) R37 Center
7) R79 Center
R39 Top
J19
1) +V
2) Gnd
J20
1) Gnd
2) Gnd
J21 (not on my board but may be...)
1) Opt Noise CV
2) Opt impact CV
R78, R79, and R81 do not connect to ground instead they connect to V+
R80 and R84 do not connect to ground -- they connect to V-.
Note that the three decay pots: R95, R96, and R97 only use two pins... the outside pin to ground, and the middle as noted above.
Hope this helps. _________________ -- Kevin
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Floppy

Joined: May 09, 2008 Posts: 66 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject:
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thank you kevin. |
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Eraser127

Joined: Apr 20, 2010 Posts: 16 Location: Dordrecht, The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject:
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Maybe a worthless kick but two post above is stated for the potmeter lugs top/center/bottom. I'm into wiring the pots now, but can't figure out which wire onto which potmeter lug. Does top/center/bottom have to do with the orientation of the pots in the schematics (sheet 1 to 4)?
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kkissinger
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Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1451 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:13 pm Post subject:
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The "top" is the leftmost lug when viewed from behind the panel. _________________ -- Kevin
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Eraser127

Joined: Apr 20, 2010 Posts: 16 Location: Dordrecht, The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject:
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Ah ok, so the orientation of the pots is all with lugs down and viewed from behind? Or is your list specifically for a certain panel? _________________ 3630 Compressor | BCR2000, Ultrapatch Pro PX2000 | DR-220E | GX-700 | FX57 | Xboard25 | Small Clone, Small Stone, Big Muff, Electric Mistress Deluxe | Juli@, M8U | UE400 | Poly-61 (custom midi), 05R/W | Rokit RP-5 | MB33 | Nova, KS-Rack | MWR-01 MetalWorker | R8, MKS-50, PG-300, M-VS1, M-DC1, JP-8080, Juno-106, JX8P, PG-800 | Topaz Macro Plus | E816S | Cubase 5 | Softsynths | TH MPS | Pulse+Rekon Editor | AN1X |
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kkissinger
Stream Operator

Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1451 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject:
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Eraser127 wrote: | Ah ok, so the orientation of the pots is all with lugs down and viewed from behind? |
Correct! _________________ -- Kevin
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jumunius
Joined: Apr 19, 2010 Posts: 346 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:26 pm Post subject:
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Hi, I'm building the MPS right now and am seeking a power supply. I know there was the Power One discussed here, but it is out of stock everywhere (?) and Mouser predicts it won't be shipping until September.
I want a pre-built power supply if possible, as I am somewhat new to DIY (have built PAiA but you don't have to shop for those!). Any suggestions?
Incidentally, I am somewhat wary of Mouser's data, as they claim the Power One HAA15-0.8-AG that people suggested is +/-12v. http://tinyurl.com/2angxtg What gives? |
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BananaPlug

Joined: Jul 04, 2007 Posts: 307 Location: Philly
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject:
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If you Google for HAA15-0.8-AG you'll get the data sheet which explains that this supply may be wired for +/-12V or +/-15V. |
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jumunius
Joined: Apr 19, 2010 Posts: 346 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject:
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BananaPlug wrote: | If you Google for HAA15-0.8-AG you'll get the data sheet which explains that this supply may be wired for +/-12V or +/-15V. |
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. I'll give Mouser a break then.  |
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BananaPlug

Joined: Jul 04, 2007 Posts: 307 Location: Philly
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:11 am Post subject:
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Having that choice makes it kind of the perfect option for modulars. Covers all the formats. |
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jumunius
Joined: Apr 19, 2010 Posts: 346 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:25 am Post subject:
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Oh rub it in, why don't you! 15v or not, nobody lists any as ready to ship.  |
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BananaPlug

Joined: Jul 04, 2007 Posts: 307 Location: Philly
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:06 am Post subject:
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There's some promising offers on ebay. Just put HAA15 in the search box. |
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jumunius
Joined: Apr 19, 2010 Posts: 346 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:37 am Post subject:
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Thank you! I don't remember what my search criteria was, but I came up wildly different results. |
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Eraser127

Joined: Apr 20, 2010 Posts: 16 Location: Dordrecht, The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:05 am Post subject:
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I've made the power-supply from this site on a piece of pcb with "3-hole" strips. I just changed the 7812 and 7912 for the 7815 and 7915. It works excellent I get a nice +15V, GND and -15V.
Here's my drawing of the print (every "thick" pencil square is 3 3-hole strips stacked)
On the left side you connect the AC adapter and on the right side you have the +, _ and GND output
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Eraser127

Joined: Apr 20, 2010 Posts: 16 Location: Dordrecht, The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:03 am Post subject:
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I assume all the V+, V-/GND to the potmeters can be wired thru from one point of the pcb? I'm into wiring now, what a job
I also found a fault in the kkissinger scheme:
it says:
J18
1) R36 Bot
2) R36 Top
3) R36 Center
But when I look in the schematics I see that the wiper from R36 is connected to switch S1. And the pole from that switch should be connected to J18/3.
Am I correct? _________________ 3630 Compressor | BCR2000, Ultrapatch Pro PX2000 | DR-220E | GX-700 | FX57 | Xboard25 | Small Clone, Small Stone, Big Muff, Electric Mistress Deluxe | Juli@, M8U | UE400 | Poly-61 (custom midi), 05R/W | Rokit RP-5 | MB33 | Nova, KS-Rack | MWR-01 MetalWorker | R8, MKS-50, PG-300, M-VS1, M-DC1, JP-8080, Juno-106, JX8P, PG-800 | Topaz Macro Plus | E816S | Cubase 5 | Softsynths | TH MPS | Pulse+Rekon Editor | AN1X |
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kkissinger
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Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1451 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:45 am Post subject:
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Eraser,
I'll have to take a look. There are a few options for wiring and switches and in some cases I just followed the schematic.
Indeed, you can use a single point to connect the +/- voltages and ground from the panel to the PCB. _________________ -- Kevin
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Eraser127

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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:05 pm Post subject:
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Ah ok, i followed your guide and did the rest thru the schematics, it makes sound now I only wired some pots wrong like rotate cw is off instead of on  _________________ 3630 Compressor | BCR2000, Ultrapatch Pro PX2000 | DR-220E | GX-700 | FX57 | Xboard25 | Small Clone, Small Stone, Big Muff, Electric Mistress Deluxe | Juli@, M8U | UE400 | Poly-61 (custom midi), 05R/W | Rokit RP-5 | MB33 | Nova, KS-Rack | MWR-01 MetalWorker | R8, MKS-50, PG-300, M-VS1, M-DC1, JP-8080, Juno-106, JX8P, PG-800 | Topaz Macro Plus | E816S | Cubase 5 | Softsynths | TH MPS | Pulse+Rekon Editor | AN1X |
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jumunius
Joined: Apr 19, 2010 Posts: 346 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject:
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Hi, I am in the home stretch of my MPS board and had to buy one last .01uf ceramic to fill in C8. I accidentally ordered 20% tolerance, and it lead me to wonder what tolerances were acceptable for this projects, and what are acceptable in general. My other .01uf ceramics are 10% tolerance on here -- are those tolerances ok? I don't know how precise this needs to be.
I hope this is ok, because I am so ready to finish this and use the darned thing! |
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Col
Joined: May 19, 2010 Posts: 1 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:51 am Post subject:
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Almost finished with my MPS, just need to wire it up.
I have a rev 107 board. Ive gone through the many pages of this thread and found:
mps_connections_v1_133_2_335.pdf
mps_connections_v1_133_877.pdf
mps_layout_111.jpg
It looks like these are for rev 106 boards.
Ive noticed J20 and J21 have been removed on rev 107 (lucky for me, id already done my panel based on the block diagram, so no noise cv)
Are all the other connections the same on rev 107 boards - e.g. can i just wire it up as per one of the pdfs and drop the additional 100kB CV pot and jack?
Oh which of those two pdfs is more recent?
Thanks - C |
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oneoff

Joined: Nov 23, 2008 Posts: 47
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:46 am Post subject:
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this is actually the second version..
the first one was this:
more pictures and info in my blog:
http://noisedesign.blogspot.com/ |
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Eraser127

Joined: Apr 20, 2010 Posts: 16 Location: Dordrecht, The Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:22 am Post subject:
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Alright, finished my MPS in a temporary housing :
[img]http://www.synthforum.nl/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58155&d=1273059660[/img]
I'm trying to add midi so I found a simple pic project (midi to pulse):
http://chip.aeug.org/midi4_0.asm
The thing is that this is for the PIC16c84. I have the PIC16F84, I converted the .asm with mplab to hex for the 16f84 but it gives a message:
Quote: | Message[302] C:\blabla\COPY OF MIDI4_0.ASM 153 : Register in operand not in bank 0. Ensure that bank bits are correct.
Message[302] C:\blabla\COPY OF MIDI4_0.ASM 155 : Register in operand not in bank 0. Ensure that bank bits are correct.
Message[302] C:\blabla\COPY OF MIDI4_0.ASM 157 : Register in operand not in bank 0. Ensure that bank bits are correct. |
I assume that's why the pic doesn't work. In the asm file these are the lines that give a message:
Quote: | movwf OPTION_REG ;/
movwf TRISA
movwf TRISB |
Found this with google:
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My source assembles with the following message: Message[302] myfile.ASM 136 :Register in operand not in bank 0. Ensure that bank bits are correct.
What am I doing wrong? This isn't an error, but it obviously means that something doesn't look right to mpasm and I am not trying to do anything unusual at all. Answer:
Its just a warning that you need to select the correct bank since you are addressing a Register over 0x7F, however, even if you have inserted the banksel command, you will still get the same warning (not an overly intellegent assembler here).
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Can anyone help me with this? Maybe someone who knows his way with pic programming? Maybe it's a simple as changing some commands in the actual program but I have no experience with this.
I can buy a complete print http://www.engineersatwork.nl/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/58/products_id/536 but i'm already this far so only when I absolutely have to i'll buy that one.
HELP  _________________ 3630 Compressor | BCR2000, Ultrapatch Pro PX2000 | DR-220E | GX-700 | FX57 | Xboard25 | Small Clone, Small Stone, Big Muff, Electric Mistress Deluxe | Juli@, M8U | UE400 | Poly-61 (custom midi), 05R/W | Rokit RP-5 | MB33 | Nova, KS-Rack | MWR-01 MetalWorker | R8, MKS-50, PG-300, M-VS1, M-DC1, JP-8080, Juno-106, JX8P, PG-800 | Topaz Macro Plus | E816S | Cubase 5 | Softsynths | TH MPS | Pulse+Rekon Editor | AN1X |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24484 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:44 am Post subject:
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The messages just mean that you need to check if the bank bits are set up correctly, looking at :
Code: | bsf STATUS,RP0 ;Set up controls regs
movlw b'00000010' ;Set TMR0 prescaler = 1:8 (f_osc=8MHz)
movwf OPTION_REG ;/
movlw b'0000' ;Port A all outputs
movwf TRISA
movlw b'11111111' ;Port B all inputs (only RB7 used)
movwf TRISB
bcf STATUS,RP0 ;Back to normal
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It looks like this is the case, if there would be two register banks the topmost would be selected beforehand with the
instruction. If however there are more than two register banks it might not be the topmost that gets selected .. the data sheet will tell you how many RAM (file) register banks there are.
Anyway, this bit of code is setup only so non time critical, so you could add a couple of instructions there if needed.
Another common reason for a processor to not work would be that the xtal oscillator does not run. This could be caused by the xtal itself having built in capacitors and the capacitors around it as drawn in the schematic being present as well .. easiest thing would be to look with a scope at the xtal connections to see if it actually oscillates.
Oh there is another common reason ... the F devices need some configuration bits to be set up properly ... like the oscillator will probably be have to set into HS mode, looking at the code the watchdog should likely be turned off .. stuff like that ... and I didn't see any CONFIG statements in the asm file ... meaning that the config will have to be set correctly manually, either in the programmer or in MPASM. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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blue hell
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:46 am Post subject:
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oops ... the config should be arranged for with
Code: | __FUSES _CP_OFF & _WDT_OFF & _XT_OSC & _PWRTE_ON
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had missed that one. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Danno Gee Ray
Joined: Sep 25, 2005 Posts: 1351 Location: Telford, PA USA
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:55 am Post subject:
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Oneoff, Nice build. Would it be possible to post a full on photo of the faceplate? Just curious how you configured it.
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