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Stanley Pain

Joined: Sep 02, 2004 Posts: 782 Location: Reading, UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:36 am Post subject:
on a scale of 1 to 10, how organised are you? Subject description: bear with me... this is going somewhere... |
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just a bit of fun and idle interest, but i'm probably going to go somewhere with it...
1 being so disorganised you stress even yourself out
10 being so organised you have one of those miniature vacuums for your keyboards and polish the compressed aircans you keep in their clearly labelled and alloted space
so, on that scale, how orgainsed:
a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness?
b) your filing systems?
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process?
d) your kitchen?
e) your bedroom?
*"is programming a musical and/or creative process" discussions are banned from this thread!  _________________ there's no I in TEAM, so let's all act as individuals instead |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24499 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:46 am Post subject:
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| Stanley Pain wrote: | *"is programming a musical and/or creative process" discussions are banned from this thread!  |
Too bad ... programming is the only thing that isn't always a mess here
And my filing is sort of OK as well, I just delete everything except the mp3s and the patches.
I'm not stressed under things being a mess though, what does stress me is to have a presentation, of whatever.
So where is this going? _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:51 am Post subject:
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Hey, Stan...
Where are your own scores?
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Kassen
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:57 am Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | Stanley Pain wrote: | *"is programming a musical and/or creative process" discussions are banned from this thread!  |
Too bad ... programming is the only thing that isn't always a mess here
And my filing is sort of OK as well, I just delete everything except the mp3s and the patches.
I'm not stressed under things being a mess though, what does stress me is to have a presentation, of whatever.
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Wayne Higgins

Joined: Aug 16, 2007 Posts: 270 Location: Greenville, FL
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? 5
b) your filing systems? 8
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 6
d) your kitchen? 8
e) your bedroom? 5
Studio workspace and bedroom get a 5 because I have this thing about always putting things on top of the dresser, desk, tables, ect and forgeting about them. Never move them. I also like to place things hanging slightly over the edge. My wife says that as clean as I am about everything else, she lets me slide on this one. I'm serious, I am a neatfreak, but if you look on the top of my dresser, you will find last years X-mas present and Walmart reciepts from 6-8 months ago.
Filing system. Extreme, but a true neat freak knows that there is always room for improvement. I worked at the FSU library for three years.
Kitchen, I worked in restaurants for 15 years so a clean kitchen is a natural. And with the 82 year old mother-in-law living in, if I put anything out of place, I'll hear about it.
How often do I wash my car? At least once every 6 months.
There are certian things that are organized without a thought, and other things never reach a level of organization because they're just not that high on the proability list. _________________ http://www.virb.com/waynehiggins
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Antimon
Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? 6
b) your filing systems? 3
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 2 (programming is something like 8... but I'm not going to argue)
d) your kitchen? 2
e) your bedroom? 3
/Stefan _________________ Antimon's Window
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dewdrop_world

Joined: Aug 28, 2006 Posts: 858 Location: Guangzhou, China
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject:
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| Stanley Pain wrote: | a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness?
b) your filing systems?
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process?
d) your kitchen?
e) your bedroom? |
a - EPIC FAIL (2)
b - EPIC FAIL (2)
c - haz cheezburger (9)
d - haz bitty cheezburger (7)
e - FAIL (4)
I would not say I'm so messy as to stress myself out, but I just can't be bothered to spend a lot of time cleaning.
Actually, my programming processes are the exception -- after a performance that nearly didn't happen because of bad code organization, I spent quite some time on an architecture that would let me keep related things together and unrelated things separate. It has been so much easier to manage larger projects since then.
James _________________ ddw online: http://www.dewdrop-world.net
sc3 online: http://supercollider.sourceforge.net |
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bachus

Joined: Feb 29, 2004 Posts: 2922 Location: Up in that tree over there.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? 5
I clean it good ~every 8 months so that's an average of a range of 1 to 10.
b) your filing systems? 4
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 4
d) your kitchen? 9
I cook and the Mrs cleans. (She can't boil water -- it was the only way to save our marriage )
e) your bedroom? 9
The Mrs again -- My shop is about 1.5 _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Inventor
Stream Operator

Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 6221 Location: near Austin, Tx, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject:
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I'm a 4 at best, and I'm not organized enough to list it in separate catagories! _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Low Note

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? 3-8
b) your filing systems? 6
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 9
d) your kitchen? 2
e) your bedroom? 3
Yeah, I just cleaned. These numbers are based on pre-cleaning since i tolerated this level of filth for about two weeks. |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:29 am Post subject:
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I'm fairly clean, but not very tidy.
There are parts of the lab which are a foot deep in stuff which gets moved around from place to place and never gets put away, (or thrown out). Yet other parts are OCD level organised. All my resistors and caps are sorted into drawers, and all the chips are in numerical order. There's about 500 CDs in a bookcase above the computer monitor which are in alphabetical order, and I sometimes use my calculator to generate a random number and multiply it by 20 to choose which CD to listen to. I'm not joking. I don't like making little decisions.
On the other hand, Felicity is the only person who has any idea where my last tax return is.
I cook a lot, and clean, well, not too much, in the kitchen. But I think I'm the only one who has cleaned our toilet! (about once a month)
I wash the car, well, I've washed it once! and we've only had for 2 years.
Sweeping (vacuuming) calms me down. (OCD again I think! )
So my scores would be:-
a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? 2 -> 9
b) your filing systems? 2
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 5
d) your kitchen? 5
e) your bedroom? 3 _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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kijjaz

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? 4
b) your filing systems? 2
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 3
d) your kitchen? 8!!! .. i've got many spices and they look really tidy.. (although sometimes they're old -_-")
e) your bedroom? 2 <-- the center of (a), (b) |
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smueske
Joined: May 02, 2007 Posts: 98 Location: Minnesota, USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:55 am Post subject:
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I love this thread. Up until recently I thought my studio was the messiest one in the world. In every other forum I participate at people post these immaculate photos of their space. I recently cleaned it up, which was a two-day process.
a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness?
8 (now), it was a 2 before
b) your filing systems?
This is a continual problem. I never know what to call a project when I start it and as it develops it changes names. I usually work on 4 - 5 pieces at the same time, and when one "catches fire" I'll work on it exclusively until the first serious draft is done. Consequently I forget about songs and sometimes don't find them again for years. I've never lost anything, but I've lost track of a lot of things. I'm seriously trying to think through a more efficient tracking system.
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process?
I like to divide between intentionality and accident. For example, creative a melody line or chord progression, write some rhythm, then run the rhythm through some sort of destruction or random reorganizing instrument (such as travelizer, etc.) and then chop up those parts and retrigger with a sampler. Sometimes I compose in real time with a tool like Absynth and layer in the wav, chopping up pieces and using different effects on them. It's really very different from song to song, but I really believe in the synthesis of intention and accident.
d) your kitchen?
My wife does not let me near the kitchen.
e) your bedroom?
Again, until I cleaned up my studio, it was pretty messy. I had, literally, several piles of books beside the bed (big ones -- big enough to trip over). I'm basically a slob. _________________ Steve
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Jyoti

Joined: Mar 07, 2008 Posts: 618 Location: Derby, UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? Control room: 8, Live room 1
b) your filing systems? 8
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 9
d) your kitchen? 9
e) your bedroom? 8
This all makes me sound very organised but I'm answering this when the above happens to be true. Often, kitchen and bedroom are absolute chaos.
My live room is almost impassable. Too much stuff in the way, not gear but bloody flightcases and mic stands, old bits of computer kit I've got to wipe the drives on. It's driving me barmy! ARGH!  _________________ My music: here! |
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Alexander

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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:49 am Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness? 5
b) your filing systems? 3
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process? 7
d) your kitchen? 5
e) your bedroom? 5
My bedroom/studio/workspace/kitchen is one and the same!
These topics make me sad...
I need a house and get those scores up! _________________ http://husc-sound.com |
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Kassen
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:59 am Post subject:
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These topics make me sad...
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Why? I found that on average if you see those pictures of studios that are all clean and ordered they tend to belong to people making relatively boring music. _________________ Kassen |
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Alexander

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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:37 am Post subject:
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You're right! And I have always seen composing and cooking as similar creative processes, so it's good to put up your studio in your kitchen!
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Acoustic Interloper

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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:23 am Post subject:
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a) is your studio/workspace, in terms of tidyness?
b) your filing systems?
c) your compositional (and/or creative/programming*) process?
d) your kitchen?
e) your bedroom?
All 5, with a standard deviation of about 2. I like to let it go as long as possible, but I have tripped over things and slammed a laptop to the floor once, and have broken bones or had other serious injuries from falling outside while running on about 6 occasions (never broke anything falling inside, but I have had some severe sprains and bruises from falling over things inside). Also I tend to drag a lot of mud and dirt in from outside, so I have to clear the clutter so I can vacuum the floor.
EDIT: Forgot about c. It's probably a shade better than 5, especially if I decide to polish a piece. But perfectionism tends to dampen creativity, and messy compositions leave more room for improvisation than tidy ones.
Desktops and table tops and book shelves tend to stay a bit more disorganized than the floor.
I love messy offices and studios. _________________ When the stream is deep
my wild little dog frolics,
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Stream Operator

Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 6221 Location: near Austin, Tx, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject:
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Although I typically keep a messy desk, I once when through a neat desk phase. Then one day some idiot commented that I must be a poor engineer because my desk was neat. If I had a dollar for every little smart-aleck verbal jab I received in my engineering career, I'd be wealthy today. Grrr... _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Floppy

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject:
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| wondering what score it would be to sit in underwear in the studio having dinner ? |
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Stream Operator

Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 6221 Location: near Austin, Tx, USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject:
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| Stanley Pain wrote: | | just a bit of fun and idle interest, but i'm probably going to go somewhere with it... |
Where did you plan to go with it? _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Acoustic Interloper

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:
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I was working with someone the other day who struck me as being pretty disorganized in the sense of disorganized thoughts and project structure, and it struck me that, even though I allow superficial clutter to build up around me and even enjoy that, at a deeper level I am apparently pretty organized. Clutter and a messy desk does not equate to be disorganized. I think that this guy was disorganized at a deep level. And, for all I know, he keeps a clean office.
Looks like there are layers to this thing. _________________ When the stream is deep
my wild little dog frolics,
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Stream Operator

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject:
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| Acoustic Interloper wrote: | I was working with someone the other day who struck me as being pretty disorganized in the sense of disorganized thoughts and project structure, and it struck me that, even though I allow superficial clutter to build up around me and even enjoy that, at a deeper level I am apparently pretty organized. Clutter and a messy desk does not equate to be disorganized. I think that this guy was disorganized at a deep level. And, for all I know, he keeps a clean office.
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There is a saying: "A clean desk is the sign of a disorganized mind", which ironically uses the same words that you used above, AI. The myth is that brilliant people keep a messy office but can just reach out and grab any item required because they have a mental map of their disorganization. While this may be true in some cases, I find the entire subject annoying because of what that guy said to me, why I should have... Grrr.
How about this: my desk is an oscillator, it has a sawtooth waveform of messiness because it gets messier as a linear function of time until I clean it and then the cycle begins again. It has about a three month cycle time. and an amplitude of "way too dang messy". _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject:
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| Inventor wrote: | | Although I typically keep a messy desk, I once when through a neat desk phase. Then one day some idiot commented that I must be a poor engineer because my desk was neat. If I had a dollar for every little smart-aleck verbal jab I received in my engineering career, I'd be wealthy today. Grrr... |
A good engineer would have no need to infer that somebody else was not.
Almost every time someone makes a comment about somebody else, they end up actually saying more about themselves. I have found this to be true time after time after time. One of the most alarming symptoms of inner peace is when someone starts losing interest in judging others.  _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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Stream Operator

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject:
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| Uncle Krunkus wrote: | Almost every time someone makes a comment about somebody else, they end up actually saying more about themselves. I have found this to be true time after time after time. One of the most alarming symptoms of inner peace is when someone starts losing interest in judging others.  |
You know, nobody ever taught me that bit about a criticism being a comment about themselves, and it seems so obvious, so basic now looking back. And regarding the latter statement, I must admit that I do judge others - I don't criticize much and certainly avoid verbally attacking people like that guy did, but inside I judge. So I have not yet achieved inner peace but I'm a werkin' on it! You are wise, oh learned Uncle Krunkus, wise like Kung-Fu master! I cannot yet snatch the pebble from your hand! I will chant the engineer's chant for you: "Ohm... kOhm... MegOhm..." _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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