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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject:
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Geitost! Right, that would be the scrawny brown stuff they serve here. Cheese you say? Hmm.. it´s kinda brown though. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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blue hell
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | Next saturday we will give geitost away for free |
Right, it's that bad _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject:
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Blue Hell wrote: | Wout Blommers wrote: | Next saturday we will give geitost away for free |
Right, it's that bad |
No need to give it away for free. Serve the stuff at gunpoint! That works perfectly well up here.
Here is a norwegian looking for geitost customers in Afghanistan.
_________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Argitoth
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject:
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Oh hey guys, I just want to let you know that I figured out what I want. I'm going to buy an analog modular synth. (I laugh because I can imagine what you must be thinking.)
http://www.paia.com/
The price is right, looks easier to use than some other modular stuff. Only thing is its lack of modules. I gotta do a lot of research, see which modules I can take from other companies, figure out how it all works, learn the DOs and DONTs, the quirks, learn a thing or two about electronic devices, etc. But yes, I finally realize that if I want raw power, I need a analog modular synth. I want the freedom of modularity with the organic sound of analog hardware. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:
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Argitoth wrote: | I'm going to buy an analog modular synth. (I laugh because I can imagine what you must be thinking.) |
I'm thinking that I guess still, a good idea
Quote: | I gotta do a lot of research |
The G2 demo might be handy for some 'what ifs' _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject:
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Paia?
I have a lot of very nice things to say about Paia, but I don´t think a Paia modular will fit your profile. I even doubt an analog modular is what you need at the moment. It might be what you need a couple of years from now though. Right now I think you should learn more about how things work and synthesis in general. You might suddenly discover you can use the gear you already have in a far better way if you do. A software modular might be cool though. Something like the Arturia Moog Modular clone?! It comes with a whole lot of presets and you can explore how the patches work. One obvious "problem" is of course that this software emulates a fixed system and it is not truly as versatile as the G2. Still, at this stage this is hardly a problem. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Argitoth
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:
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An analog modular will provide:
-The raw analog sound
-Modulate things to max frequencies without the digital character
-I heard that Paia can sound fat pretty easily, just a few saws will do.
It will be limited compared to what I'm used to in terms of software. I should probably expect to spend a few thousands overtime before I feel I have a good-sized system. I can get screaming stuff with a distortion module. To do pads, I'm going to create a scratch track with my software synth to lay out the midi. Then I'll use the modular synth to play one note at a time and stack it.
elektro90 wrote: | Right now I think you should learn more about how things work and synthesis in general. | What I need to learn is how to create great sounding patches. There's two good ways to learn that: expirimentation and reading a book. Firstly, I don't need to learn how to create an oscillator, a filter, or an envelope. I just have to buy modules and connect them. At that point, all I need to learn is cool tricks to make good use of them. I can learn such things using a Paia modular synth or my software synths. Actually, I learned a few cool tricks in Nord Modular just because the GUI inspired new ways of thinking. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject:
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Right... the dollar. Since you good people managed to kill the dollar, it is now possible to grab excellent US made gear pretty much for free these days. Please vote republican! Europeans must be allowed to buy cheap US made gear.
Anyways, you can do this on a budget even though you are obviously stuck in the US.
http://www.synthesizers.com/system-entry1.html
Start out with that one, and then simply buy more modules later on.
The stuff Roger Arrick makes is top notch and inexpensive. You simply don´t want to go DIY at this stage. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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fac
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Right... the dollar. Since you good people managed to kill the dollar, it is now possible to grab excellent US made gear pretty much for free these days. Please vote republican! Europeans must be allowed to buy cheap US made gear.
Anyways, you can do this on a budget even though you are obviously stuck in the US.
http://www.synthesizers.com/system-entry1.html
Start out with that one, and then simply buy more modules later on.
The stuff Roger Arrick makes is top notch and inexpensive. You simply don´t want to go DIY at this stage. |
As a proud owner of a .com system, I second this suggestion. Just keep in mind these synths are physically BIG, so if you don't have the space, go for an eurorack or frac-rack. |
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Argitoth
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Start out with that one, and then simply buy more modules later on.
The stuff Roger Arrick makes is top notch and inexpensive. You simply don´t want to go DIY at this stage. |
Hmm, yes yes... I guess you're right. I better go with Synthesizers.com.
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Q101| Power Control |$52
Q104| MIDI Interface |$84
Q106| Oscillator |$195
Q107| State Variable Filter |$136
Q109| Envelope Generator |$92
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Is there anything I'm "immediatly" missing? Is it ok to buy a module that is not Synthesizer.com?
http://www.analoguehaven.com/used/
http://www.synthtech.com/motm.html
http://www.modcan.com/bseries/modulesb.html |
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Wout Blommers
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Argitoth
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:16 am Post subject:
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You know something, I really do need to go with Paia, mainly because of price, secondarily because it's smaller and each module has more in it. I'll either build it myself or I think you can buy the modules already-made. Now, I was reading a review and it seems like the filter has a weird resonance glitch. I'll probably buy a filter elsewhere. |
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ian-s
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:17 am Post subject:
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Argitoth wrote: |
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Q101| Power Control |$52
Q104| MIDI Interface |$84
Q106| Oscillator |$195
Q107| State Variable Filter |$136
Q109| Envelope Generator |$92
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Is there anything I'm "immediatly" missing? |
If you add a VCA (Q108) you will be on your way to making some TB303 type sounds. |
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Argitoth
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:19 am Post subject:
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g2ian wrote: | Argitoth wrote: |
Code: |
Q101| Power Control |$52
Q104| MIDI Interface |$84
Q106| Oscillator |$195
Q107| State Variable Filter |$136
Q109| Envelope Generator |$92
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Is there anything I'm "immediatly" missing? |
If you add a VCA (Q108) you will be on your way to making some TB303 type sounds. |
Interesting. What does an amp do besides amplify? Does it cause distortion if I just turn it up? Where would the amp be in the routing chain?
I'm going to call Paia tomorrow and ask if they are planning on adding more modules to their catalog. If not, I might rethink buying stuff Synthesizer.com |
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BobTheDog
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:23 am Post subject:
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You do realize that you are not going to get much of a pad sound from one oscillator?
Also that the synth will be monophonic?
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iPassenger
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Argitoth
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:35 am Post subject:
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BobTheDog wrote: | You do realize that you are not going to get much of a pad sound from one oscillator?
Also that the synth will be monophonic? |
iPassenger wrote: | yeah single osc mono synths dont really excel at pads. |
Yep, I'll get a pretty fat sound with at least 4 oscillators. To get polyphonic sound, I simply record the synth over multiple times, with the help of a software synth to create the scratch track. |
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BobTheDog
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:38 am Post subject:
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You are taking the piss aren't you? |
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iPassenger
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Argitoth
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:42 am Post subject:
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Sorry uhh...
actually I change my mind again. I better look into Blacet stuff. Good prices, small size, plenty of modules. Little more expensive than Synthesizer.com, but I think it'd be worth it. I think the banana pots generally have more ins and outs too. |
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Wout Blommers
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:56 am Post subject:
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iPassenger wrote: | Hehehe...
Well that is how Tomita did it back in the day.
Good luck with that, | Well Stockhausen had a much harder time to construct additve synthese, but that's another story
I wonder where this thread ends...
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ian-s
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:11 am Post subject:
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Argitoth wrote: |
Interesting. What does an amp do besides amplify? Does it cause distortion if I just turn it up? Where would the amp be in the routing chain?
I'm going to call Paia tomorrow and ask if they are planning on adding more modules to their catalog. If not, I might rethink buying stuff Synthesizer.com |
The G2 demo you have been using has a VCA 'built into' the Envelope module. The .com (and most real analog) envelope just provides a control voltage for vcf/vca/vco. Without the vca (controlled by the Q109), the oscillator/filter will make a continuos tone. |
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Argitoth
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:24 am Post subject:
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g2ian wrote: | Without the vca (controlled by the Q109), the oscillator/filter will make a continuos tone. |
Oh yes, I knew that. I was planning on using the filter to control the volume, lol.
Go here: http://www.blacet.com/ Scroll down till you see the mixer or splitter. It has a phase control. Does that mean I can do phase distortion with it? |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:56 am Post subject:
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Argitoth wrote: | g2ian wrote: | Without the vca (controlled by the Q109), the oscillator/filter will make a continuos tone. |
Oh yes, I knew that. I was planning on using the filter to control the volume, lol.
Go here: http://www.blacet.com/ Scroll down till you see the mixer or splitter. It has a phase control. Does that mean I can do phase distortion with it? |
I think it means phase as in inverted (like swapping speaker wires gets you out of phase).
Phase distortion is like the casio cz synthesis technique which is loosely related to DX style fm. |
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Wout Blommers
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:57 am Post subject:
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Argitoth wrote: | ... Does that mean I can do phase distortion with it? |
Wout |
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