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5-channel Attenuverting Mixer 2nd run
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nice shot!

these are precision ceramic disc caps? zero tolerance? i don't think you will experience any problems. leave them, they're looking quite good.

these are just filter caps to keep the voltage rails clean, so as said before, it does not matter IMO.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

fonik wrote:
nice shot!

these are precision ceramic disc caps? zero tolerance? i don't think you will experience any problems. leave them, they're looking quite good.

these are just filter caps to keep the voltage rails clean, so as said before, it does not matter IMO.


I assume these are precision caps, I got them when I was building aircraft communications boards nearly 20 years ago. They always let me have the leftovers from a run of boards, I still have a few left. I used poly caps for C1 & C2.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Since this is my first module, I have a couple of questions regarding connectivity...

The power source connector, there appears to be two, is this for choice, or do both need to be there? Is there a standard for modules? And what are the part numbers?

Also, I have soldered pin connectors for the panel components, is this the standard procedure? I need to know what sockets I can buy to connect to the panel components to them?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Brainstormer wrote:
Since this is my first module, I have a couple of questions regarding connectivity...

The power source connector, there appears to be two, is this for choice, or do both need to be there? Is there a standard for modules? And what are the part numbers?

these connectors are to be used alternatively. the 4-pin connectors is used by MOTM and Blacet (AFAIK), the 2x5-pin ribbon connectors are used by Doepfer, Analogue Solutions and Analogue Systems.

for the .156 grid 4-pin connectors search for molex or tyco .156 (farnell stocks them), for the ribbon connectors search ...err... ribbon connectors?

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Also, I have soldered pin connectors for the panel components, is this the standard procedure? I need to know what sockets I can buy to connect to the panel components to them?

actually i indended to use crimped connectors. they need to be stackable. i like your idea of using simple pin connectors, though.

it would be good if others shared their practice here. i just try to use what i get at my supplier. you mileage may vary...

take a look at this picture below. this is a module i used those crimped connectors for. for the attenuverting mixer you need stackable connectors, like the two 3-pin connectors with blach caps (picture bottom, middle)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: 2 PCBs for Paris, France Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'd like 2 of them please.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

great. check your PMs, kent. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

One of my IC sockets might be questionable. Can you tell me what voltages to look for before seating the ICs? The one I'm worried about is IC3.

Also is the one connection that is shown with a line on the pcb just a wire or is there something specific that I should use?

Sorry if this has all been covered, but this will be my first completed module so I want to make sure it's right before I power it up.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

*Appliancide* wrote:
One of my IC sockets might be questionable. Can you tell me what voltages to look for before seating the ICs? The one I'm worried about is IC3.

i hope i get you right, paul.

all four ICs are common dual OpAmps in 8pin DIP packages, thus they are powered by pins 8 and 4. pin eight is connected to the positive rail, pin 4 to the negative rail. so they should show 15V respective -15V (or 12V respective -12V, in case you power the module with +/-12V) Very Happy
you will find the power connections with pin numbers on the schematic. i separated them from the actual circuit and placed them left of the power connector circuitry.

additionally: if you used switched sockets to normal them to the positive voltage source (junction of HR29 and R30 on schematic), there will be offset voltages on almost all other pins, too - depending on your potentiometer settings...

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Also is the one connection that is shown with a line on the pcb just a wire or is there something specific that I should use?

you are right, it's a bridge. you can just use a cut off leg of one of the resistors you soldered in.

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Sorry if this has all been covered, but this will be my first completed module so I want to make sure it's right before I power it up.

to check the power and ground connections before powering up a new module is always a good idea - not just for the first module, but for all modules one builds. your intension is best practice, paul.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

modification advice Exclamation

hold on! tonight i got aware that the AC/DC selector does not work as it should (no, i am not about the latest heavy metal CD release here Wink ). i found that one resistor is missing. embarrassing and awkward enough.

anyways, one would have to add a 100k resistor from the junction of R28 and C13 to ground.
you could do this on the front panel (i.e. solder the resistor from switch SW1 pin1 to a ground connection of one of the sockets) or even on the board.

this applies to both the old and the new board. i will amend the documentation ASAP.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

documentation updated:
rev2 doc

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i`have built 2 of the mixers and have a little problem on both.
i`m getting channel 1 & 3 adjusted and they work fine. i don`t get
channel 2 & 4 correctly trimmed. i`ve changed trimmers, pots, tried
different ics (tl072cn, tl072cp) but nothing seems to help.
any ideas?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Matthias - Do you still have any of these boards?
I'd like a couple more.

This has been a REALLY useful module!

bruce

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very Happy fixed the problem, wrong pot-wiring.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW

SOLD OUT

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Matthias,

I would like to use 1 or more of the inputs on one of these boards to increase the p-p voltage of waveforms from a couple of my VCOs. If I wanted to have 1 input double (from 5Vp-p to ~10Vp-p, for example), could I simply keep the 50K pot and for input 1 change R4 to 100K? If Ialso wanted to have another input triple (from 3Vp-p to ~10Vp-p), could I again keep the 50K pot and change R7 to 150K (or 165K + 1.5K in series to get closer) for input 2? Would the 50K trimpots for each input complicate this? Also would any other resistor values need to change?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

numbertalk wrote:
I would like to use 1 or more of the inputs on one of these boards to increase the p-p voltage of waveforms from a couple of my VCOs. If I wanted to have 1 input double (from 5Vp-p to ~10Vp-p, for example), could I simply keep the 50K pot and for input 1 change R4 to 100K? If Ialso wanted to have another input triple (from 3Vp-p to ~10Vp-p), could I again keep the 50K pot and change R7 to 150K (or 165K + 1.5K in series to get closer) for input 2? Would the 50K trimpots for each input complicate this? Also would any other resistor values need to change?

it's not working this way, since the attenuvertion stage is no opamp in inverting amplifier configuration. in the way you describe it, it would only be possible to amplify the inverted signal, and the zero attenuvertion would not be in center position anymore.
i simply don't know how to achieve amplification of the non-inverted signal with this setup. a non-inverting amplifier looks different.

at least you could replace the resistor in the feedback path of the summing stage by a potentiometer to amplify the summed signal.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for the info.

what i'm describing would be possible by changing resistor values for this cgs circuit, though, right?

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs04_mix.html

thanks again.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

numbertalk wrote:
thanks for the info.

what i'm describing would be possible by changing resistor values for this cgs circuit, though, right?

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs04_mix.html

thanks again.

right. by adjusting the input resistors of each input you could achieve the needed amplification.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

fonik wrote:
right. by adjusting the input resistors of each input you could achieve the needed amplification.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Fonik, why do you choosed 10NF instead of 100 NF as they take all the time ?
Can i take 100N ?
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Funky40 wrote:
Fonik, why do you choosed 10NF instead of 100 NF as they take all the time ?

i've seen 10nF as well. however, i dunno Very Happy
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Can i take 100N ?

yep. from what we've learned so far it might not to be this important at all in this case (refering to a recent discussion on the synth-diy list).
BTW i built the Thomas Henry Super Controller without any decoupling caps for the ICs. No problem at all...

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ok, thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

so i finally built one of these, and im having a problem. when i sweep thru the trim pot,i get no voltage change at the output jack of channel 1.

i've checked all 4 IC's, and im getting +/-15V at pins 8 and 4, respectively. power is definitely wired properly.

ive added the 100k R for the dc/ac switch at C13. ( i just wired a 2-pole switch across the 2 pads of "SW 1").

im not using switched jacks. im using the same center detent 50k alpha pots that were referenced.

maybe can someone clarify in the docs, is your black wire on the pot wiring ground? i cant tell for sure from the orientation, since it looks like the order of the pot pads is reversed on the bottom of the board from the top.

thanks for the help.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

rjd2 wrote:

im not using switched jacks. im using the same center detent 50k alpha pots that were referenced.


I'm sorry I don't have help for you, I just wanted to ask about these center detent pots you mentioned? Where did you get these-- I'd like to use them also.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ericcoleridge wrote:
I just wanted to ask about these center detent pots you mentioned? Where did you get these-- I'd like to use them also.


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