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Resonant Lopass Gate PCB's (New Batch 4/29/12)
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krisp14u



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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

djthomaswhite wrote:
Hi all,

New run is the same as the last but with slightly larger soldering pads. Same lead-free finish that looks milky but solders fine. It's a coating to protect the "solderability" of the pads when it comes time to actually build it. I'll have them in plastic bags again to keep them fresh. Gotta keep it green if I can.

Thomas

Nothing wrong with being green Im all for a better environment for my children But on the first batch of LPG boards the finish has hardly any shelf life once they have been Exposed to air, fingers, and moisture of any kind

The problem for me is when you have stuffed and soldered all the components and have to wait for the panel to come before wiring it up then when you get the panel it its no longer easy to solder

I would recommend looking at Lead free HASL like we use on the Oakley / Blacet / MOTM boards

It makes soldering so much more fun for the folks who might be new to building modules

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This is such a nice module, thanks for doing another run! i almost always prefer it to my normal vca's!
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for your contributions to the community...

Will you be posting the PCB artwork for those of us who cant afford as many boards as we would like from this run? (You said this will be the final run of this design, and I would like to maintain some consistency between my modules...)

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject:
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The boards will remain lead free. I am committed to that in my boards. Here are details from the PCB manufacturer about the boards...

"Our Lead-Free Process
> The lead-free process that we use is a 99% silver finish. Silver plating is more expensive than the tin plating most of our competitors are offering, however we believe that our silver alloy produces a board that is easier to assemble and looks more professional.

Assembling Lead-Free Boards
> You will find that our lead-free boards assemble very nicely using the same tin/lead solder that has been commonly used for decades.
If you wish to manufacture a finished product that is lead-free or RoHS compliant, you must use a lead-free solder and select lead-free components. We recommend using a solder with a 96.5% tin, 3.0% silver, 0.5% copper alloy, such as Kester 24-7068-7600 (Mouser part number 533-24-7068-7600).

Storage note: PCBs plated with a tin/lead solder finish can be stored almost indefinitely before they are assembled. Our lead-free boards also store well, but we recommend keeping them wrapped in plastic if they will be stored for more than one month prior to being assembled."

Hope this helps with planning for folks. Thanks!

Thomas

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:34 am    Post subject:
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djthomaswhite wrote:

You will find that our lead-free boards assemble very nicely using the same tin/lead solder that has been commonly used for decades.


not realy,this where the most crappy pcb's i ever had.

The best i ever had was those from emulator archives,with a gold coating..

lead free sucks 100%

if u want to be green,you have to start at the source = not using electronic equipment
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Must admit that the gold plated boards are bloody nice to solder. The heat gets spread a hell of a lot better but i think that would add to the price of the boards but then again i'm not the one ordering a load of them. But it's a good point though. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I didn't have any uncommon issues soldering these LPG pcb's, all four of them. They certainly weren't the worst ones I've built. I won't say they were the best either - as I've already bitched about the ground plane being on the wrong side - but each of the 4 I've built has worked 100% from day one, which is better than most.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject:
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djthomaswhite wrote:
Check out:

http://www.naturalrhythmmusic.com/lopass.html

I have made a page dedicated to the 2nd run of boards and it has pictures, document packet, and other information all in one place. There is a PayPal cart to buy boards.


Thomas,

How long do you plan on taking orders for this run? I plan on buying 4, but I'm waiting for some checks to clear. I don't want to miss out though. Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The boards will be available for a while. I will not have them forever, but I learned my lesson from last time and will order some extras so I can have them in stock for late comers and people in the check coming at month end boat.

Thomas

PS. Sorry to Teknik I guess. Boards are staying lead free.

PS to clarify one of your claims about electronic music, going green does not mean stringing fiber up on a bow and plucking to make music while your band mate bangs stones together as your comment would indicate. It's like saying going on a diet means not eating anything but air and water. In truth, electronics are only a part of the problem, but they are still a part we need to begin to lessen the impact of. I don't make my own clothes, grow all my own food and cook on fires, but I will make sure any product I make available has going green in mind. Sure this might mean less people are interested, but I can sleep better at night knowing I am not directly responsible for more lead in the water table.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

NICE ONE THOMAS. ITS ALWAYS THE END OF THE MONTH WITH ME. bLOODY MONTHLY PAY. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

djthomaswhite wrote:


but I will make sure any product I make available has going green in mind.


i hope you don't drive a big V8 then Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Teknik,

Yeah I got over my big truck youth after learning more about why green is important. Sold the V8, bought a whimpy 4 cylinder and got a job closer to home. I miss the power (and I know that is a false image) of acceleration, but on the Southern California freeway traffic I am not missing this too often.

Thomas Wink

PS. Hi guys, on the board tip I have re-run many of the traces to adjust for the bigger pads and the design is a bit better in my opinion. Time for a quality check and circuit tracing next to make sure I didn't make any mistakes in these changes. I'll post new versions of the board layouts in the user docs soon. Orders are still on target for mid June shipping. Thanks to all for the support of the project!

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LPG front test..
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

TekNik - looks great!

1 comment - are you sure you want the deep switches down at the bottom? Cable droop in the way and all that...
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sduck wrote:
TekNik - looks great!

1 comment - are you sure you want the deep switches down at the bottom? Cable droop in the way and all that...


yes ,its enoying ,but i keep it like that because it balance the layout very well

here is the test module without front and with extra cv input i did ommit in the layout (the other module in the back is the VCS proto btw Wink ):

http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-files/lpg_791.jpg
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I hate asking questions.

I can seem to get the resonance knob to do anything. I've been poking at my LPG board for a couple of days now. Anybody have any tips on what I should look for? I hear obvious low pass filtering, and the mode switch seems to be working right, but no resonance.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

For resonance, check the schematic as it has a separate section connected via jumpers on the board. Follow the circuit through with special focus on the jumpers themselves. Hope this helps!

Thomas

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I put my pcbs in a plastic sandwich bag, suck out all the air, and pop into the freezer until I'm ready. I feel silly doing it, but it seems to slow down oxidation a lot on these lead free boards.

I also use some thinner (.64mm/.025") activated rosin core solder that spreads and splatters flux everywhere, and makes the solder flow and stick a lot better on less than perfect pads, but I don't really like using it unless I have to. It's way messier than no-clean. Says 3.3% flux on the tin.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok i use lead. 63/37 but I use hydro x water soluable flux. It's going to take a total ban on lead for me to go totaly green. God I feel bad now. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just purchased four boards last week, and I was looking over the BOM, and I noticed you specified 4 vishay precision pots for the mixing sections. Are precision pots specified for a reason? Otherwise I'll just pick up panel mounted pots with solder lugs.

Also, I would imagine I would need 5 pots if I intend to have the entire 3 audio mix and 2 cv mixing sections. Should I get audio tapered for the audio mixing, or would linear be better suited still in this instance?

Sorry for the simple questions, I'm quite new to building modular kits, and I just want to make sure I have everything right before I purchase the parts.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject:
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djthomaswhite wrote:
The boards will remain lead free. I am committed to that in my boards. ...

Thomas


glad to hear it! i do notice a very minor difference in soldering, but it's entirely workable. any small bit each of us can do helps... once again, i appreciate your commitment to principal.

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Okay guys, I just ordered the 2nd batch of PCB's after relaying out some of the traces and making the pads bigger. I had waited to get a better sense of how many to order so I can have extra but not too many extra.

PCB's should arrive with me on June 15th or 16th. I will quickly process orders from the start of the list to the end and should have them all out within 1 week after receiving the boards. Thanks guys!

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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Okay, a demo with this LPG (first batch)

first dry,then delay,offset at minimum near the end i open a bit up
,LPG is triggered only with a pulse

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crashlander42 wrote:
I hate asking questions.

I can seem to get the resonance knob to do anything. I've been poking at my LPG board for a couple of days now. Anybody have any tips on what I should look for? I hear obvious low pass filtering, and the mode switch seems to be working right, but no resonance.


I had the same problem yesterday. I turned out that my 3 pos. rotary switch was not wired correct. You have to wire it 'exactly' as the picture in the schematics:
S1- 3
S2 - A
S3 - 12
S4 - D
S5 - C
S6 - 7

I have optained a second hand PCB with components (VTL5C6 vactrols) without the mixer components. I bought the BrideChamber 2U panel and soldered the mixer components on the PCB. Wired up the panel yesterday.
But now I have a problem you don't have. If I set the deep switch to deep there is no sound, or at least very, very little. Any suggestions?

Martin
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Attorks wrote:
But now I have a problem you don't have. If I set the deep switch to deep there is no sound, or at least very, very little. Any suggestions?


Look back on page 21 of this thread. I have the same issue. It looks like the value of that resistor across pins 6 & 7 of the TL084 isn't quite one size fits all. What switching in this resistor in essence gives you an extra turn of the frequency pot and I think in your case and mine it's 'turning' it too far out of the LPG's range.

Thomas suggests trying a smaller value for this resistor, which I haven't done, because I decided since I have a few more to build I'll try out different resistor values then rather than desoldering this one and risking lifting the pads, since I'm otherwise pleased with the module.
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