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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject:
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ark wrote: | ... then perhaps the hypothetical Wave update using the G2 codebase is still a possibility... | Maybe not so hypothetical
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buzzr
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject:
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Somebody posted this over at Matrixsynth Blog. I first saw it and was shocked (The Clavia Syntha). Then came back here and saw it was not true of course. More mockups please  |
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Roland Kuit
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject:
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hehehe buzzzzr, just did the photoshop thing. but if this was real. my dream would come true
wow..they where quick to post it there
but for real. it would be easy to make this thing for them. |
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Antimon
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | ark wrote: | ... then perhaps the hypothetical Wave update using the G2 codebase is still a possibility... | Maybe not so hypothetical
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Wout, those kinds of statements of yours drive me insane. What do you know that the rest of us don't?! I mean, if it isn't hypothetical it must be real!?
Please don't play with my fragile mind this way...
/Stefan _________________ Antimon's Window
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ark

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | ark wrote: | ... then perhaps the hypothetical Wave update using the G2 codebase is still a possibility... | Maybe not so hypothetical
| Frankly, I can't decide whether I am hoping it will happen or hoping it won't.
Obviously, if it does happen, it will be a fantastic instrument. On the other hand, I will be compelled to buy one and it will surely not be inexpensive  |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject:
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Let me try to explain…
If Hans Nordelius wouldn’t work for Clavia he surely would be writing the same posts as you guys. Only Mr. Nordelius does work for Clavia and that changes a lot in a man’s life. Still most Clavia employees are ‘dreamers’ and that’s important.
Once I had a conversation with the former marketing manager of Clavia about why I was such a Clavia fan. I told him I had a lot of other material at hand in the museum and one day I realized there were synthesizers which appealed to me and others didn’t; not only sound wise but also how an instrument (it’s interface) presented itself to me. To experience this one should work only one day with another synth mogul, the DX7 from Yamaha. It's an easy conclusion!
After working some years with the NordModular Classic I played the NordLead2 in a shop and was surprised the same feeling was there and certainly a different feeling when playing the SCI Prophet V, after which the NordLead was shaped… There is something like a Clavia feel and that’s not dropped down from somewhere as an unknown mystery, but Clavia put it in. And it is also in the NordPiano I strongly believe the Clavia feeling is one of the reasons why the NM Classic generated that creative output by the members of the mailing list, which became legendary. To experience this just visit the Frankfurter Messe. You’ll find the designers from Clavia in the stand, Dave Smith and Roger Linn are in the house and in the past you could talk to Bob Moog. All designers which have something with their babies. Yamaha, Korg, Roland stands are only crowded by salesmen and slick demonstrators…
So to return to the big frustration.
Clavia talks enthusiastic about their idea’s, which doesn’t mean they all get a realization, but it could…
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G2Psy
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject:
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ark wrote: | Near the top of Nord's web page today, they say:
During the last ten years we have given you the Nord Lead 3, Nord Stage, Nord Modular G2, Nord Electro and the Nord Combo Organs.
Notice what's missing? Care to speculate on why? |
Aren't they just listing those models which have been discontinued or superseded? So therefore they don't list the Wave because it is a current model and not superseded. Mentioning the G2 but not the Wave implies the Wave is still alive.
Modulars really are all software now, I don't think any manufacturer would take on a hardware DSP modular again. Nord nailed it and perfected it, and now its over. Fortunately I have one and can foresee programming it from a computer for many years to come.
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ark

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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject:
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G2Psy wrote: | ark wrote: | Near the top of Nord's web page today, they say:
During the last ten years we have given you the Nord Lead 3, Nord Stage, Nord Modular G2, Nord Electro and the Nord Combo Organs.
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Aren't they just listing those models which have been discontinued or superseded? | From the description, I would think that they were listing those models that were introduced during that time. |
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buzzr
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject:
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Hardware Modular synths are selling fairly well. Crazy sounds are back in again. Instead they make a piano. |
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3phase

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:30 am Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | Don't be disappointed...
Instruments like this are most likely to be introduced at NAMM rather than the Messe. Easy to predict it would be a Stage without the organ.
Clavia started this project way back in 2008 and at the most two employees worked on it... The rest took of on their holidays or painted the lobby or were telling they loved the way Hans Nordelius had his hair cut or some other very important issue...
This is just an in between release, but we have probably to wait a year or so, so 'stay tuned' and in the remaining time iron all your Clavia T-shirts.
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This sounds mysterious.. i never had a clavia t-shirt
so you think there will be something for the synth enthusiasts again?
In fact.. with clavias organ and stage piano line this range of instruments is pretty well covered now..
I had to install a few nord stages i a studio last year and took the liberty to play a bit around on them... was actually great fun.. if i coulöd afford one i actualöy would think about getting one just for the playability of the keyboard..
and regarding keyboard sounds that are good to be played on the keyboard there is a certain evolution in organ and piano sounds.. might be classic.. but they are expressiv.. only very few synthsounds you do can match with that.... or sound like organ / paino derivates anyway..
so clavia is still building great instruments.. actualy greater than ever.. just no modular synth anymore..
however.. a modular synth with the sound quality of the nm1 sampling and the keyboard of the nord stage.. yummi
and they have all the technology there... maybe not so unrealistic to see such an instrument one day |
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3phase

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:36 am Post subject:
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ark wrote: | Wout Blommers wrote: | ark wrote: | ... then perhaps the hypothetical Wave update using the G2 codebase is still a possibility... | Maybe not so hypothetical
| Frankly, I can't decide whether I am hoping it will happen or hoping it won't.
Obviously, if it does happen, it will be a fantastic instrument. On the other hand, I will be compelled to buy one and it will surely not be inexpensive  |
yep.. that worrys me too.... |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:57 am Post subject:
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Simple solution...
1 get up at 5.30 and bring the morning paper to its readers
2 go to your daytime work and ask for more money
3 bring the evening paper
4 start a cooking club for elderly people, so you can eat there for free
5 take a job as a tutor to foreigners learning the local language
6 go to bed and get up at 5.30...
(That's what my father did to get his children to university and I praise him still for it!)
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3phase

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:31 am Post subject:
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so you compare raising children with owning a syntheziser? you are realy a synth enthusiast |
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fac
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject:
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3phase wrote: | so you compare raising children with owning a syntheziser? you are realy a synth enthusiast |
Why not? Both are extremely expensive and time consuming. _________________ My music: http://cdbaby.com/all/fac |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject:
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3phase wrote: | so you compare raising children with owning a syntheziser? you are realy a synth enthusiast | Did I?
I just suggested when you want the money badly there are ways to get it, just like my father did. And indeed I hit my synths sometimes, but it's for their own good...
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Roland Kuit
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject:
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i never hit children or synths,..i think thats a lack of knowlegde how to tread them. but the last one(synth)....i like to abuse in sound  |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject:
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Going back on topic...
Ever wondered why Clavia delivered a Vista update to the G2 Editor?
Why not to the Classic?
Simple because Clavia declared the G2 synth abandoned, but not the platform itself...
Never thought about that?
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Roland Kuit
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject:
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Wout, that is clever thinking. but my classic editor works fine with my vista...do people experience problems with that? or isn't that a vista problem with their midi interface? |
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Tim Kleinert
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | Going back on topic...
Ever wondered why Clavia delivered a Vista update to the G2 Editor?
Why not to the Classic?
Simple because Clavia declared the G2 synth abandoned, but not the platform itself...
Never thought about that?
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Wasn't it more a reaction to the constant and loud bickering from the user community? There is a point where a manufacturer has to be careful not to lose his credibility, and Clavia imho was pretty close to that.
Anyhow, I still consider the G2 system a work of genius in it's combination of flexibility, ease of use and hardware integration. And I still maintain that the G2 sales flop could have been easily avoided by a competent voicing and marketing scheme (I won't go into details again). |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject:
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tim wrote: | ... And I still maintain that the G2 sales flop could have been easily avoided by a competent voicing and marketing scheme (I won't go into details again). | So, why not the Classic? That's marketing for you. One of the troubles of the G2 was the Classic and not being compatible with it... Users sticked to their first synth. They treid to get it out of the way, but failed...
I would say the G2 platform was made ready for the future.
Only that waiting...
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Roland Kuit
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject:
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i agree with wout. i think of the 2(NM and G2) that they are different instruments....they sound different! ok, not compatible, so?
often i route them though one and other, so it becomes(in audio and midi, a bit in patch) 1 big system.
its better to have them both. |
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trotz

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject:
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I agree with Wout. I never abandoned my NM even though the G2 was very tempting but... I don't prefer encoders to pots and there was simply not enough difference between the products.
What I need today:
1) something as easy to use as the G2 editor
2) but with extra modules (sample reader from Nord Wave would be a nice start)
3) extensive DC I/O to interface with my other analogue gear
4) As NM and G2 did, the device should be mostly operative without a computer
5) DAW integration such as Virus TI
Or... give me a vst/au G2 demo at a price less than 500€ and I'll buy it. I can then use the plugin with Ableton Live + Max4Live, Volta and stick with a portable computer plus any nice controller. _________________ pedro trotz's website |
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Wout Blommers

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Did you noticed at the Panel there are two Electric Piano sounds catagories? Besides tines there are also reeds...
Could it be...?
The Hohner Pianet T?
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Tim Kleinert
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Wout Blommers wrote: | Did you noticed at the Panel there are two Electric Piano sounds catagories? Besides tines there are also reeds...
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...a bank of saxophone and oboe samples. A precursor for Clavias next product: The Nord Orchestral.
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:28 am Post subject:
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Well, hopefully Clavia can save up enough money from organs and other transplants like this new piano, and revisit the modular technology again.
And, if I read between the lines, it seems like Wout is hinting at something new, but based on G2 hardware (or technology?)...G3, G2.1, or G2 firmware 2.0? G2_VST? |
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