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Stanley Pain
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| _ Steve _ wrote: |
Definitely! So remind me who said a single g2 patch should be torrentable?  |
no one, but it was mentioned in the first 2 posts of this thread. |
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v-un-v
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| elektro80 wrote: | | v-un-v wrote: | | because a few irresponsible people elsewhere are also using them for illegal purposes |
I am not convinced we are speaking of a few  |
Well- yes.... I think its 50/50 ish?!
The music biz, as you know, have been quaking over home taping for years. remember the 'home taping is killing music' logo on every sleeve? Did it really have that much of a hold over music sales? 
A recent poll in this country (it was in 'The Guardian' btw- for all you googlers out there) showed that it was the people who downloaded music via p2p who were also the greatest spenders out when it came to purchasing, and that people who complained about others 'stealing' by downloading, spent the least! 
I suppose a similar analogy could be applied to the recent downgrading of cannabis to a class-c drug in the UK- putting it alongside drugs like asprin. Another study has shown that since this downgrading less people are now using cannabis in this country as a recreational herb of choice 8(
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mosc
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Well, to be fair to Steve, I was in fact not familiar with this technology. I have never used it. He was explaining it appropriately and I appreciate it. He made a resonable suggestion, that's all.
I agree about keeping one's thinking clear - separating protocols and the good or bad that people do with them. Most importantly, lets remember to treat eveyone with respect, even if you disagree with them.
So, while I'm learning, let me ask: if were were going to distribute a large file using BT, how would we do it? How would people access it? Is BT like another web, orthogonal to HTTP?
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elektro80
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All this info is available at bittorent.com
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monobass
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| mosc wrote: | | So, while I'm learning, let me ask: if were were going to distribute a large file using BT, how would we do it? How would people access it? Is BT like another web, orthogonal to HTTP? |
info here:
http://www.bittorrent.com/protocol.html
"Downloaders are periodically checking in with the tracker to keep it informed of their progress, and are uploading to and downloading from each other via direct connections. These connections use the BitTorrent peer protocol, which operates over TCP."
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Kassen
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| elektro80 wrote: |
Way back before this thread was started I told mosc that I think the Bittorrent concept is excellent. However, I don´t see any point in making any political statements re the use of Bittorrent. BT isn´t even suited for these files anyway. As for the first site EVER... nope..
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Ok, I'll take your invitation and go here, even if I still considder my point on the G2 side topical there.
You are right with regard to file sizes (in a parctical sense) and you are right about the "first" bit.
Still, I do think BT can be a political thing. I think that with P2P networks there's a sense of democracy, of individual responcibility that's lacking from the one-way-traffic that conventional media have become and where the web is increasingly going. With P2P, as long as one person wants data to be available then it will be available.
Suppose Mosc's G2 crashes and he decides to hate it, then in a drunken mood reformats the server; In that case we'd lose the archives because of a centralised distribution. More importantly; suppose some governemant would decide to go orwellian. If you remember 1984; Winston's job depended on a centralised distribution of information, of knowledge and -as he argues- truth.
I think P2P networks are inherently political, I think BT is severely weakened by it's centralised servers (as I hear is showing these days) and as Winston's cry out of "take Julia, not me!" demonstrates; they should be anonimised. I don't use them myself but I think the existence of P2P networks as a posible guarantee for persitance of information, even if just on a theoretical level, is esential and indeed very much a poltical thing. It's the new "worth of moth" in a sense, in these days where most don't greet their geographical neighbours.
The empire never ended. I suppose P2P networks are in a sense a VALIS. Not a nice one or even a very practical one, but then again; neither was VALIS....
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