crediting sound designers

Stanley Pain · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: crediting sound designers

to what extent would you expect to be credited for your sound designs?

for example, if i've used a preset from the G2 in a composition for release, i don't feel the need to credit the sound designer as i've paid for the use of the instrument at the point of sale.

however, if i've used a bass sound designed by someone that's been posted on this forum, should they expect a credit?

i have to confess that i've used one of this forum's members performance patces in my live set a couple of times, namely "bargvil" by Pygar. if someone has asked me about that tune in particular i credit it to Pygar. the other day i had a producer round my studio the other day and i played him my performance of Pygar's programme and the producer was so impressed i obviously had to say that it wasn't mine but a guy from this forum. i treat such usage as the equivalent of me djing said tune. i'm fairly certain that after a couple more plays someone will want to get in touch with Pygar with regards to a release.

i did ask Pygar a few months ago if he minded me using his performance in my live sets and he said in a PM it was fine if i made some alterations. i hope he doesn't mind me saying this publicly, but i ignored his suggestion as (aside from a high pass filter to cut out the sub 20 Hz peaks) i thought the patch was pretty damn hot as it was. why mess with something that was so good?

to my mind i would never dream of releasing or using his work as my own , and i would love it if other G2 users used my performances in their live sets.

what are your thoughts? have any of you used other G2 users material in their compositions/live shows? if so, which/whose?

Wout Blommers · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:18 am Post subject:

IMHO is crediting on sleeves not important, but just an e-mail to 'thank-you' and maybe a copy of the CD seems a nice gesture.

Wout

blue hell · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

Usually the instrument builder (in this case a virtual instrument) is not credited on a record. But when the virtual instrument is the song, which can happen with synths, that would be different - I guess permission would be needed even in that case.

Stanley Pain · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject:

yeah. i do feel a twinge of guilt using Bargvil live, because most people will assume it's my tune. but rest assured whenever anyone has told me they like that tune (and it happens A LOT) i point out in explicit terms that i didn't write it.

ok, so a bunch of flowers and a CD through the post. i've just used Afrokid's SICKBASS for a tune. i added a sequencer effect. aw sod it, i'll attach it.

put it on global, the source and rhythm pitch should always be set the same. there will be some tweaking. i'm using it for a live set. varations 2 and 3 are transitional from the first tune which is on variation one, to the new tune which is on variation 4.

none of the other stuff is there yet.

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Kassen · Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject:

Stanley Pain · Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject:

at what point does building an instrument turn into composing a piece of music?

blue hell · Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:

I guess you'll have to do what you think is the right thing to do. Still on occasions you might end up in court, which is just a sign of things going really well of course Very Happy

I wouldn't know where to draw the line exactly.

A while ago I got a PM from a forum member who felt guilty for using a noodle patch that I made in one of his tracks (the track was released on a net label). In the track I could recognize my patch, but to me it was obvious he had done something with the patch to make his own unique thing with it. I appreciated him telling me about it, and I hope it will make him famous and rich.

Had it been a plain recording of the noodle I'd have been less pleased.

Somewhere in between there is a line I guess, but it would also depend on how I got to know about it, and how the communications about the issue would evolve. It would depend on the programmer's intentions as well, some people need income from their musical activities.

Maybe Kassen is right about needing a license, the maker could then indicate his views of various scenarios.

iPassenger · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: