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| ian-s wrote: | | That has been done already by Mr qfingers and Jan. |
Probably the best way to study it is to look at qFingers' g2ools code, especially as it has the reader / writer code needed and data structures to represent patches.
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I might be interested in helping out with a reverse-engineering project if it became necessary.
Depends on day-job (software engineering) time constraints though...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | cappy2112 wrote: | | What would be the alternative- in an all-software solution? |
Recode to target processor ... |
Without the DSP hardware, how can you execute the target processor code without an emulator?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject:
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| cappy2112 wrote: | | Blue Hell wrote: | | cappy2112 wrote: | | What would be the alternative- in an all-software solution? |
Recode to target processor ... |
Without the DSP hardware, how can you execute the target processor code without an emulator? |
not, I guess .. I meant that it should be recoded so it will perform (currently the emulator performs not so good IMHO).
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marlon brando
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:52 am Post subject:
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| purusha wrote: | If (note, that's an "if") Nord no longer think that modular hardware is a goer, I reckon they should consider expanding the demo to a fully blown commercial soft-synth.
I know they're a hardware company, but surely this would be something worth considering. They're most of the way there anyhow, as we know, with the demo.
Everyone who's worried about their hardware breaking down would then at least have their investment in patch design secure.
Any thoughts on that?
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My thoughts is that G2 in Reason 5 would be kind of cool 
This guys know each other, and that would make Reason kind of cool
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| They should at least make the software for the hardware devices open source, it's not far off a year since they said they would update the last one to integrate with Apple/Intel and vista compatibility. The last email I had back from them said "the updated drivers are coming soon", this was in July 2008. |
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To me it seems very unlikely we will see any new modular updates or products from Clavia for a good few years if ever. It would be a very bad time financially to release a new boutique modular product.
I remember thinking when the patch mutator came out for G2 it was the end of development, based on how the original NM development finished. They will never admit that while they still have units to sell though.
I can't see why it would ever be in Clavia's interest to make anything open source. It would only divert attention from new products and wouldn't make them any profit anyway.
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I remember hearing at one point that the NM architecture was the foundation upon which they did work for other synths. That may have been a few years ago, when the focus was Nord Lead and such, however.
Anyways, I can't see the G2 needing to be superceded by any equivalent instrument any time soon; it's a very niche instrument, not likely to garner lots of sales, and probably a labor of love any time it's paid attention to. The fact that a lot of people end up calling Clavia's baby ugly no matter what they do probably isn't encouraging.
Me, I'll be happy to buy the next NM if there ever is one. If it's hardware. There's nothing like a real instrument, no matter how good computers and software synths get.
What do I miss in the NMG2? Hmmmm..... a ribbon controller, that's all. Maybe a mini Haaken Continuum built into the next generation? |
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But what's puzzeling me... Who ever said there will be no G3, or G4, or G5?
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | But what's puzzeling me... Who ever said there will be no G3, or G4, or G5?
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Don't know about the G4 and the G5 ... but some people have said here that they don't expect a G3 ... not Clavia of course though 
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| I really am at the point where I don't feel I'd ever really need to buy another synth to do anything I can't already do with what I have. But if it were a next-gen NM, that would be different. |
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | But what's puzzeling me... Who ever said there will be no G3... |
From this topic:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-30840.html
Commenting about why Clavia DMI AB were not making any more G2s or expansion boards:
| Axiom Crux wrote: | | you guys should talk with the people at clavia through their contact info on the site if you want more info. All I know is they aren't making any more for a reason and no g3 is planned... |
Wout, can you prove that he got some bad information about plans for a G3?
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| varice wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | | But what's puzzeling me... Who ever said there will be no G3... |
From this topic:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-30840.html
Commenting about why Clavia DMI AB were not making any more G2s or expansion boards:
| Axiom Crux wrote: | | you guys should talk with the people at clavia through their contact info on the site if you want more info. All I know is they aren't making any more for a reason and no g3 is planned... |
Wout, can you prove that he got some bad information about plans for a G3? |
Who should I believe? "Axiom Crux" or the guy who works for Clavia?
"Hi
Thanks for your email,
I really can't discuss or make any comments on future products or
updates, we just have to wait and see.
Best Regards
Tomas Johansson
Product Manager - Clavia DMI"
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| varice wrote: | | Wout, can you prove that he got some bad information about plans for a G3? |
Umm... Of course, my post was not a serious challenge to Wout!... I tried to signal that with the winking smiley face ...
And, of course, Wout does not have to prove anything to us about what he might know about anything  
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Ehhh...
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| I wonder what kind of processor drives the Wave, and how difficult it would be for Clavia to get the G2 OS to run on that processor. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:29 am Post subject:
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| All you need to do is put virtual bananna jacks in the wave and then you have a G3. |
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Given the choice of new G3 hardware or new G3 softsynth, I'd take the hardware, no question. The reason is that realistically a G3 softsynth is a recipe for CPU spikes and overloads and will most likely cause massive problems with my DAW.
I love that the G2 is hardware and puts practically no CPU strain on my DAW. It also has no latency and sounds great. I hate the latency of playing softsynths at buffer settings above 64 and most of them sound crap. Imagine making a 32 track song at 96khz at 64 buffer and then trying build an epic G3 patch on the same computer. Even the top Macs would crash.
What I'd most like to see in a new G3 hardware synth is more DSP power and digital I/O (preferably AES, but S/Pdif would suffice).
Given the choice of a G3 softsynth or no G3, I'd take the softsynth and buy a separate computer just for the G3.
Its a bummer there's no memory upgrades available. Prepare to see G2 prices rise.
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| TEMAS wrote: | What I'd most like to see in a new G3 hardware synth is more DSP power and digital I/O (preferably AES, but S/Pdif would suffice).
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And sampling, a la Wave.
And bigger LCDs. Having to toggle between two modes because the LCDs can display only two lines of text instead of 3 should be unnecessary with current technology.
And I would love for it to be built as a separate keyboard and module that can be detached from each other, a la Radias. |
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And I would love for it to be built as a separate keyboard and module that can be detached from each other, a la Radias. |
That would be cool. And would make sense.
I really hope they do G3. Nord Modular is my favourite synth of all time. |
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| ark wrote: | | TEMAS wrote: | What I'd most like to see in a new G3 hardware synth is more DSP power and digital I/O (preferably AES, but S/Pdif would suffice).
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I'm having these dreams where there's a module called "sample" with a rec gate input and a play gate input, rate modulation input and maybe a start/end point mod too. It has to be so easy to modify the existing delay modules to do this, and what a cool tool it would have been. Does anything like that exist in the market for modular systems (virtual or no)?
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| Antimon wrote: | I'm having these dreams where there's a module called "sample" with a rec gate input and a play gate input, rate modulation input and maybe a start/end point mod too. It has to be so easy to modify the existing delay modules to do this, and what a cool tool it would have been. Does anything like that exist in the market for modular systems (virtual or no)?
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| Antimon wrote: |
I'm having these dreams where there's a module called "sample" with a rec gate input and a play gate input, rate modulation input and maybe a start/end point mod too. It has to be so easy to modify the existing delay modules to do this, and what a cool tool it would have been. |
It's not that easy. If you want to non-volatile sample storage, you'd need additional flash rom chips and USB software to handle the sample management and memory allocation.
Volatile sampling is possible, I've done it many times. There is some klutzy patching necessary for the stable readout pointer, but if you put that into the FX area and pipe the control thingies back to the voice area via interslot busses, you can make the whole thing quite usable. |
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I was thinking about volatile sampling. I'm ashamed to say I haven't looked that closely at your patches Tim, but I know that you've done a lot of good stuff in this area. I'm pretty bad at reading patches, if I can't understand a concept so I can patch it myself, then I tend to pass it over - perhaps I shouldn't.
I was just thinking about that simple module as a part of the G2s palette. From what I've heard Reaktor is a lot different - but if that module exists there then that might be something to check out.
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