Morph groups Wheel and Vel: they not assigned to anything

G2Psy

Running a G2 engine, so I'm relying on a midi controller to drive the engine. I can set up morph groups which are controlled by CC messages. So far so good. But I don't understand the Wheel and Vel morph groups which are there by default. Neither respond to wheel or velocity and F8 shows that no external midi is assigned to them.

Can they be used for wheel and velocity, how can I set this up?

Cheers,
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blue hell · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject:

Click on the knob below until it is in "knob" mode, you'll be able to use 'm then eithr from the editor or by assigning a CC to them.

G2Psy · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject:

G2Psy · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject:

No wait, I understand now. If you change the setting underneath to 'Knob' then you can get any midi controller to control a morph group. If you click them to say 'Wheel' or 'Vel' then the controls don't move in real time but they are in fact controlled by Wheel or Velocity (or whatever is hard wired for each morph group).

Why is the obvious so hard to understand with a G2 Embarassed

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Wout Blommers · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:00 am Post subject:

Wout Blommers · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:34 am Post subject:

The thing is racks can do less than keyboard versions. Clavia makes keyboard instruments, no racks, well, they do, but a Midi keyboard doesn't have the same control as the 'internal' keyboard. And Clavia means keyboard key, a strange name for a compagny which started to make drums Very Happy

Wout

blue hell · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:49 am Post subject:

Come to think of it .. a keyboard is a design error as well although it's nice for tapping a few test notes ... but it should have analog inputs for controllers and gates and triggers & OSC over ethernet too .. and all connectors on the front ... anyway ... something for a future product [that I'd have to design myself] I guess Laughing

Wout Blommers · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:52 am Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject:

G2Psy · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject:

Wout Blommers · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject:

Nah...
That's design philosophy!
To Midi through the red box has to be at the end of the line, but using it in a 19" rack only on top Very Happy

What I meant was doing some serious controlling the music. On a rack one cannot use (what I call) Slot Hold: let the Arpeggiator run while holding the keys; de-activate the Slot and the sound will go on; play another Slot and the first Slot isn't changing: it's in Hold...
A rack is controlled by Midi, an outside controlling force.

Wout

G2Psy · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject:

Wow yes, good point Wout about arp holding. The whole idea does make more sense with the keyboard and controllers built in. If you tried to save money and already had controllers (like me) then the manual is a bit depressing when you first read it. They seem to gloat about all the things you don't have in the rack engine version.

The engine is probably best used as a multi-timbral sound module for something else. All those arp, sequencing and external control features are great but maybe not that much for the rack.

Wout Blommers · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject:

Clavia makes synthesizers for the performing musician and hardly for the studio.

Wout

3phase · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:59 am Post subject:

?? where the difference? except real modulars, that are to big for stage use, any synth is for the performing artist..in or out of the studio..or have i missed something?

G2Psy · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject:

When Roland describe something as a performance synth, they mean it lacks features like multi-timbral, patch storage for multi-part setups and an actually useful effect architecture. Plus don't try to put in any creative new synth ideas because the performer doesn't want cutting edge sounds and new ways of err performing.

Is it some kind of badge of honour to not want to do something new with a synth?

Anyways, wout's point about performance synths most likely means: yes, it doesn't do some of the things you think are important Smile

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dasz · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject:

synthlab · Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject:

I use a Peavey PC1600x with my G2 Engine. That helps. I can change presets. Turn on arpeg and make adjustments. I miss having a display and I forget where things are.

I would rather not be tied to a computer when I play out. I would rather have something dedicated and labeled as apposed to using a Novation Remote Zero, which at least has displays.

What I keep coming back to is to use an Arduino to build a section of the G2 keyboard front panel that sends MIDI to the Engine. Has anyone built hardware like that? I need to push that further up my to do list. I am open to ideas, feedback or collaboration, if anyone is interested.

dasz · Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: