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| Luka wrote: |
i just listened to a 12 hour autechre radio show and this is how far i got
perhaps it was the autechre that drove me bananas 
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No Autechre are the best for panel wiring sounds you would be a dribbling mess without them
I’m not looking forwards to doing mine but I must soon 
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Hi Luka - you and I are about at the same stage. I know what you mean! Just finished all the strap wiring tonight. I've got about half of the connecting cables built - they're WAYYYY tedious - but I have this feeling that if I hard wired something of this magnitude, the one teeny part I screwed up would be the hardest to find and fix.
I'd probably be done by now except I had to take the family on vacation last week, and lost that entire week. I'm really slow anyway - no more than an hour or 2 a day - I've found that I start making big mistakes after about 2 hours. |
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fonik
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| sduck wrote: | | I'm really slow anyway - no more than an hour or 2 a day - |
i am even slower: no more than an hour or 2 a week...
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bugfight
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yes, wiring the klee was the worst.
i've never liked wiring the panel components on any of these projects, this one is extra painful.
and even after tediously checking each connection as i made it, i still had some errors to fix...
it sucks, but at the end, you have a klee! |
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Scott Stites
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If I had it all to do over again, I'd skip the connectors and hard wire it.
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| Quote: | | If I had it all to do over again, I'd skip the connectors and hard wire it. |
No, Scott, you'd breadboard it...or space-solder it! 
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Uncle Krunkus
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Oh Geez guys!
I thought everybody liked my connector idea!?  
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The best way to get around a tedious, repetitive, procedure such as wiring cables is to get everything laid out in assembly line fashion, put on some good music and establish a rhythm in your work. If you solder in place of crimping the terminals, clean them them with a bit of alcohol using a stiff brush or cotton swap to get the flux off. If the unit is in a warm environment, the flux may begin to bleed into the contact area and cause intermittent connections in the long term.
BTW Luka .......... grabbing that mix now ........... thanks for sharing that man !
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| krisp14u wrote: | | Luka wrote: |
i just listened to a 12 hour autechre radio show and this is how far i got
perhaps it was the autechre that drove me bananas
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I’m not looking forwards to doing mine but I must soon |
well ive almost finished now, just need to source some missing connectors and load in my ICs. i think the autechre had an effect. my wiring looks like a cross between a bowl of spagtti
and the video clip of autchre's granz graf
btw andy, i just had to remove all the cables to move some of my connectors around, so they have already made the whole process worthwhile. have no doubt on how useful and genius they are
big props to everyone involved btw, i hope troubleshooting this machine isnt going to be a long process, after all this wiring im looking forward to the fruits of all your hardwork designing and producing this awesome sequencer
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fonik
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i am using now these MTA compatible connectors. you just strip the ends of the wire, put it into the connector and bend it (left one). that's it.
no soldering, no crimping.
these connectors are compatible to MTA-100 connectors....
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Those look sweet...
Except: It's RS (expensive) and they don't seem to have any 8-pole ones...?
But damn, they ARE tempting...!
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| Coriolis wrote: | Those look sweet...
Except: It's RS (expensive) and they don't seem to have any 8-pole ones...?
But damn, they ARE tempting...!
C |
3pole and 2pole are enough. you could string them if necessary.
yes, the price is 5 times than what i pay for the connectors i use now. nevertheless i just use up my stock of common connectors. in future i will use these ones only...
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| Quote: | | you could string them if necessary. |
Oh, cool. I didn't know they would still fit, if you did that, but that certainly makes it easier (and a bit cheaper).
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| Quote: | | I thought everybody liked my connector idea!? |
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that! Certainly the system organizes things coherently. I mentioned I would hardwire from the fact that I haven't moved anything since I put it together. However, being on connectors still will make modification/addition much easier. And, come to think of it, it does make the physical job of attaching the panel much easier than bobbing my head in there and burning things with an iron. My memory grows vague...
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bugfight
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| Scott Stites wrote: | | Quote: | | I thought everybody liked my connector idea!? |
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that!
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me either!
the connectors are a very good idea. they are a bit of a pain to crimp, but make debugging so much easier.
no the issue is the sheer number and density of the connections. the only way to design around that would be to make a control surface pcb, which would be pricey, and lock in a particular design... |
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I used Panduit's version of these connectors in the early 90's, in my first modular gear. Due to my personal experiences with them then, I've never ever used them since. 
If they're being used as 1 time connectors (plug it onto the male .1 or .156 standard and leave it there), they can be a great connector.
Mounting wires in them though, there can be some troubles if you're not careful in attaching your wires to them:
- make sure to get the proper wire guage sized connector. Using a wire size that's too large for that connector, will cause crowding into the next position, with the potential for short circuits. If the wire size is too small for the connector, the wire may not hold securely enough within the connector, coming loose with movement
- make sure to twist your threaded wire very well so that no loose threadings of the wire can come loose, touching the wire next to it on either side
- through repeated connection / disconnection, wires within these connectors if a securing TOP for the connector is not used, can easily become loose - especially if disconnecting the connector, by pulling on the wires themselves.
- for mounting wires into the connectors, if you don't have their specialized tool for inserting the wires into the connector, you can insert the wire with an appropriately sized flat head screwdriver, turned to a 45 degree angle. This assists in assuring that the threaded wire is pressed snugly within the metal receptacle of the wire's position in the connector.
Also, make sure that the insulation of the wire itself, has been pressed down inside the connector's pressure fittings. That helps to hold the wire in, very well.
Also again, make sure to not press the wire into the connector's position, backwards. The wire can pop out from this connection method, quite easily.
Another pro FOR this connector type though: if you DO use the proper wire installation tool, assembly with this connector can be very fast!
Ahh! 1 finally memory of inserting wires into these connectors - make sure that you're supporting the connector very well! If you're using a flat head screw driver to insert the wire into the connector, whilst you're pressing down on the wire with the screw driver, if the connector slips from your grip, the flat head screw driver does have the possibility of entering into your finger.
(All of the above bits are from, personal experience. ) |
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It's a thing of beauty.
| Quote: | | im scared to plug it in now |
I remember The Fear. Don't worry, the Klee First Power Up Emotional Support Group is here to help with any potential problems.
I'll be in Manhattan, KS all day tomorrow, but I bet Bill, Andy, or any of the other hardened Klee veterans here will be able to help you out should anything arise.
Take care,
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| Quote: | | I'll be in Manhattan, KS all day tomorrow, but I bet Bill, Andy, or any of the other hardened Klee veterans here will be able to help you out should anything arise. |
ROGER THAT !!! Standing by . I will be on the look tomorrow !!
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build notes corrections
putting it all together section
digital board IC voltage pins
U14 & U15: LM324 -V+ says pin 14, is actually pin 4
U14 & U15: LM324 -gnd says pin 7, is pin 11
and yeah im troubleshooting grr
i dont have a clock hooked up, can i just drag a pin from my 606 din plug to use as clock or will it need some sorta buffer/conditioning?
also without clock will anything light up?
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Oooh- sorry about those pin numbers. I'll rev that.
I'm not familiar with the 606 trigger - would imagine it goes above and below around 2V? If so, that will work. In any event, it shouldn't harm the Klee. Any +/- LFO should work as well.
The pattern bits should light up when you hit "load" - if they don't, try stepping it once with the manual switch, then press load. If your manual step isn't working yet, a clock pulse from your 606 should work.
Keep us posted. BTW, do you have a scope?
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