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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject:
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| cappy2112 wrote: |
You dont' have a G2?????
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No. Not yet.
I've been wanting to buy one, and perhaps now that they are discontinued I'll finally be able to afford one!
Still on a Nord Modular G1 here. Discontinued. Still a great machine  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject:
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Hmm, shit.
Maybe you need some cleansweep thingie for the bootcamp
There is a lot of confusion as to what will work for the G2 and what not, there seem to be some hopeful experiments ...
I feel more like blaming Microsoft and Apple than Clavia BTW for the G2 software not running on the new OSes, but it sure sucks. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject:
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Yes, but the demo isn't the real editor, and the real editor doesn't need resources to render audio. USB connectivity is the real issue- and how well (or if at all) it works under Fusion. |
Yes I appreciate that.
Fusion works with USB very well, so I'm assuming that the editor will work fine. I suppose there will be little difference between the NM1 and the G2 editor- in terms of MIDI I know that it's fine in OS X. I've never really needed XP for the editor, because my work uses CAD software that only works in Windows, and that's the only reason I use Fusion. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject:
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Cappy,
Okay, there's really no way of telling if the editor here in Fusion actually works with the G2 of course (without having one connected), but Andy does point out that at the moment, that working the editor in UB is sluggish. Are the controls still sluggish with the G2 disconnected? (I know that you need the two to talk to each other).
The editor seems fine here but..........NO SOUND!! Oh dear, perhaps I should just give up now?!
Give me to tommorow and I'll set up my NM in Fusion tomorrow, and see how that goes. At least we will have a basic idea whether the two will talk to each other.
I've been studying for a degree recently so I've deliberately had the NM unplugged- but it'll be nice to get those Klingklangs up and running again (Jan? )  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject:
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Maybe you need some cleansweep thingie for the bootcamp
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I think I should just stop using the BC partition for Fusion- I just don't want to go through all that crap again with Microsoft, having to phone them up and give huge strings of numbers down the phone!
I don't think there is anyone to blame here either- all this is just progress. It's what we must expect for living in a western capitalist system.
The Nord Wave accepts samples. I wouldn't put it past Clavia to release a new modular sooner or later with sample modules either  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:
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| v-un-v wrote: | nope. It still sounds awful- and I mean really terrible!
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It would help if you quoted the message you were replying to, so readers know what's going on.
Like I said, the demo isn't as important as using the real editor.
There are ways of tweaking VMware for performance, but I don't have version 6 yet. I'm using 5.5 and on Windows, and would expect a world of difference between OSX and XP. Also, if you haven't allocated enough memory to the VM where the editor is running, you'll be swappingl big time.
Try allocating more memory to that VM (you gotta shut it down first).
When you created the VM, if you created the virtual disk as dynamic, that can also affect performance, but I would suspect only when you get close to using what's been allocated. Creating a fixed virtual disk is supposed to have better performance. There's a pretty substantial chapter in the VMWare workstation 5.5 users manual on enhancing performance.
The manuals are free downloads for everyone. Last edited by cappy2112 on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:10 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject:
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[quote="v-un-v"] | cappy2112 wrote: |
Fusion works with USB very well, so I'm assuming that the editor will work fine. |
Yes, but does it work with Clavia's USB driver fore the G2 editor?
Too bad VMware doesn't have a product that lets us Windows weenies run OSX in a VM on Windows. I need to port the G2ools gui to the Mac, and don't want to lug a monster G5 home with me. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject:
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| seb wrote: | Hi all,
I'm using the G2 editor with Virtualbox under Debian Linux with a Win2000 guest system. Runs without problems and needs approx. 800MB HD space.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:
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Maybe you need some cleansweep thingie for the bootcamp
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What's all this bootcamp talk about?
When I hear "clean sweep", it reminds me when I had to push a broom all the way to the end of the flight deck on the USS Kitty Hawk  |
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I've been studying for a degree recently so I've deliberately had the NM unplugged- but it'll be nice to get those Klingklangs up and running again (Jan? )  |
Good idea. I bought my NM1 just before Christmas 99. In Jan I started taking a class and never saw the NM's power light on until that class was over. |
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| cappy2112 wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | Mmmm, just realised we are also going to have to get the Editor working on OSX Intel as well.
This I would think would also not be too difficult, or we can develop a new editor.
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VMWare released Fusion for the Mac this year.
Running an XP or Win2k Vm with the editor may work, but I don't think anyone here has posted results yet. |
Yep I have Fusion running the editor, cpu usage is better (as long as you only use one processor in the fusion setup) but controls lag behind a lot, basically unusable for me.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:49 am Post subject:
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| BobTheDog wrote: | | cappy2112 wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | Mmmm, just realised we are also going to have to get the Editor working on OSX Intel as well.
This I would think would also not be too difficult, or we can develop a new editor.
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VMWare released Fusion for the Mac this year.
Running an XP or Win2k Vm with the editor may work, but I don't think anyone here has posted results yet. |
Yep I have Fusion running the editor, cpu usage is better (as long as you only use one processor in the fusion setup) but controls lag behind a lot, basically unusable for me.
Cheers
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Have you sought out tech support from VMWare or their online forums?
How much memory is on that system, and how much do you have allocated to the VM? |
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:16 am Post subject:
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| v-un-v wrote: | | all this is just progress. |
Hmm, old stuff no longer working seems regress to me  _________________ Jan
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:37 am Post subject:
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What's all this bootcamp talk about?
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I think it's just a plain multi-boot manager with a fancy name. I don't think Mac's can use normal boot managers due to the lack of a normal BIOS.
Thinking Different I suppose. _________________ Kassen |
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject:
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I hope Clavia will realize the ethical problem of continuing to sell new G2 units at a time that Vista is being more and more widely adopted, and at a time that the Mac world has been switching to the Intel platform.
If they had discontinued the product, then stated they would no longer support it, that is fine. Not happy news but it would be a reasonable stance.
I think the G2 Editor and USB driver software ought to be released to open source. There are enough clever people in the world to make this work. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:53 am Post subject:
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| GovernorSilver wrote: | I hope Clavia will realize the ethical problem of continuing to sell new G2 units at a time that Vista is being more and more widely adopted, and at a time that the Mac world has been switching to the Intel platform.
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I really don't think it's going to happen- ie selling new G2 units. Right now Clavia have a new flagship product, the Wave. Unlike the G2, the Wave has sampling import facilities. One of the biggest criticisms of the G2 was the lack of sampling (and there was a lot of that type of comment here on electro-music.com too remember?) What use is it to Clavia to try to push a product that is obsolete?
As for ethics, I don't think Clavia would really give a hoot about that, because when Clavia decided to drop the NM1, there was an enormous amount of fury about that and several people who were once on the NM@code404 list disappeared- in disgust?
Well now there is this list here, with a whole new generation of new G2 owners (and quite a few older NM owners too- including me, some unlike me, who own both NM1's and G2's), and once again the same old cycle of events is beginning to unfold in front of us again. I'm sure that a whole range of people will say things like "I'm never going to buy another Clavia product again" and the like, but like old trees blown down in the storm, new saplings will start to grow and we'll have a new generation of folks digging the G3 (when and if it ever comes out).
Clavia are cool. They are secretive and I like that, because it makes any new Clavia product really exciting when they are announced. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:35 am Post subject:
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| v-un-v wrote: | [...]
What use is it to Clavia to try to push a product that is obsolete?
As for ethics, I don't think Clavia would really give a hoot about that, ...
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Clavia are cool. [...]
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To sell a synth now, without willingness to support the OS of now (Vista), and without providing just plain basic, standard practice product maintenance (bugfixes!) along with it, does not qualify as "cool" in my book. It's dishonest business! And if Clavia doesn't give a hoot about treating their customers ethically, I cease giving a hoot about Clavia.
It is true that many users whined about the G2 not having sampling memory (I wasn't one of them), but the party that most seems to regard the G2 as being "obsolete" (I never did and still don't) is Clavia themselves!! All while selling the thing nevertheless, I have to point out! Now, if that isn't a rip-off, what is?
If Clavia moves the G2 over to the "discontinued products" section as of now, I will stop ranting about all this. A bitter aftertaste will probably always remain. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:52 am Post subject:
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Tim,
I do respect your feelings but would you please reconsider your sig? maybe read this and please consider that respect is one of the key values we try to keep up here. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Done. Sorry, I got carried away by my emoti(c)ons .
And just for the record: I still love the G2 -dearly. And I like Clavia gear in general. Their user-friendly designs are without competition in my book. That's why I'm so frustrated now. |
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| tim wrote: | Done. Sorry, I got carried away by my emoti(c)ons .
And just for the record: I still love the G2 -dearly. And I like Clavia gear in general. Their user-friendly designs are without competition in my book. That's why I'm so frustrated now. |
Thanks!
I know
It sucks  _________________ Jan
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| tim wrote: | Done. Sorry, I got carried away by my emoti(c)ons .
And just for the record: I still love the G2 -dearly. And I like Clavia gear in general. Their user-friendly designs are without competition in my book. That's why I'm so frustrated now. |
That's quite alright Tim. I can understand the frustration you are dealing with, that's also why I didn't respond to your previous post.
But fwiw, I still intend to buy a G2. It was my intention to get one when I started this degree of mine, but as the years closed, I thought it was far more important that my children had fun on holiday rather than spend what very little I had on one.
I was going to part with my Wogglebug and MS20 at one point too in exchange for a G2, but my wife looked at me in that very particular wifey way and reminded me that we still need to insulate and put a Velux in the loft (the room i'm in right now). Arghhh!!
So I keep thinking..... a Wiard Wogglebug has a collectors value of about £400 or £500 and MS20's are now selling for around £800..... ??? It really puts it into perspective how much of a total bargain the G2 is! Even the Micromodular is an incredible bargain still- and it's now 10 years old! _________________ ACHTUNG!
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i had an argument (a drunken rambling ranting and irational but fun argument) with a producer i have much respect for. he was running a live set off a modular hooked into a 303, 808 and 909 via cv. a PHAT set up, as the saying goes. i'll have to find out the name of the modular, but it ain't a cheap one.
after hearing some of my G2 only compositions and hearing my brief explanation of how it works and the beauty of the hardware he vowed 2 things:
a) he would bring his whole analogue setup down to this gig he's doing in london early january (LO MOTION, it's free to get in incidentally) and
b) he wants a G2 because, well, it sounds like life would be much easier with one of those.
i was drunkenly and quite loudly disagreeing with him, that i would kill for his setup, but his list of griefs was about as long as my list of little things i love about the G2.
in the end he reduced my argument down to one thing. analogue sounds "better" and even then he wasn't completely convinced about that. i was.
however, in the cold light of day and with the clear vision of sobriety, with everything taken into account (especially money BEING an object to consider) i would take the nord any day over those synths.
there are no significant bugs that prevent me from doing an array of things quickly and intuitively that i simply can't do with any other equipment. couple a G2 with a bass station rack and it's CV gate capability and you have a genuine classic imho.
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Clavia has already programmed an USB driver compatible with Windows Vista for the C1 and Wave synthesizers. I hope it's only a matter of time that they actually update the driver to support the G2.
In the readme.rtf file found inside the compressed driver file, it says:
"This generic Nord Driver for Microsoft Windows 2000/XP/Vista operating systems currently supports the nord c1 combo organ and nord wave products. To install, connect the USB cable between your unit and computer and follow the on-screen instructions."
Maybe we will have at least a Vista driver in the future... I hope so. I don't like the idea of using a separate computer only to program the G2... I would sell it instead.
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i'm waiting for windows to make VISTA g2 compatible. until then i ain't shifting  _________________ there's no I in TEAM, so let's all act as individuals instead |
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| v-un-v wrote: | | GovernorSilver wrote: | I hope Clavia will realize the ethical problem of continuing to sell new G2 units at a time that Vista is being more and more widely adopted, and at a time that the Mac world has been switching to the Intel platform.
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I really don't think it's going to happen- ie selling new G2 units. |
Is that what happened in the UK? You cannot buy a brand new G2 there anymore?
You certainly can in the US. Check this out:
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=nord+modular+g2&um=1&ie=UTF-8
In my dreams, each and every store selling a brand new Nord Modular G2 would have a disclaimer saying "WARNING: Not compatible with Windows Vista or Intel Macs".
Don't get me wrong. I love my G2 too, and am keeping a PowerMac around so I can keep using the Editor software. But I feel for any Windows Vista or Intel Mac owner who buys a G2 without being informed on the issues. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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