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onosendai
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| It's good for us, because now G2 have a competitor... I expect this push Clavia to make another OS or/and (dreaming never kill someone) a new hardware expension update. |
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dasz
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:21 am Post subject:
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Albert,
| Quote: | | the G2 killer will be the G2 itself. |
You make an interesting point.
What would kill the G2 for me is if I found I could no longer create new stuff with it.
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Jackout
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:30 am Post subject:
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| I heard on another forum that Arturia Origin is going to be priced at $2999 or £1600!!! Eh? Hope not! Sounds bloody pricey to me. |
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dorremifasol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:32 am Post subject:
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Not only it will be expensive, but there will be a few number of units.
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tombola
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monobass
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| cappy2112 wrote: | | Afro88 wrote: | | But I've heard bad things about Arturia releasing unfinished products |
I think a lot of companies do this, much more than people realize. |
Clavia/G2 being a good case in point...
The worst offender I've come across is Akai.. but Clavia are in second place unfortunately.
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Fozzie
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:
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| _ Steve _ wrote: |
The worst offender I've come across is Akai.. but Clavia are in second place unfortunately. |
What's so bad about clavia products? The fact that they (used to  ) post frequent updates doesn't mean the product is unfinished (as in full of bugs/unusable). Ever had a Waldorf synth or Terratec soundcard ?
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monobass
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| Fozzie wrote: | | _ Steve _ wrote: |
The worst offender I've come across is Akai.. but Clavia are in second place unfortunately. |
What's so bad about clavia products? The fact that they (used to ) post frequent updates doesn't mean the product is unfinished (as in full of bugs/unusable). Ever had a Waldorf synth or Terratec soundcard ? |
There are still features missing from the G2 which were announced before it launched. The only other company I own products by who do that frequently are Akai.
I think also the wait for the v4 software on the NM1, which Clavia announced and then 'forgot' and the fact the NM1 OSX software never got out of Beta...
etc. etc. etc. 
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astroid power-up!
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i'd love a hardware version of max/msp or reaktor. if they can put these arturia synths in a box with knobs, no reason they couldn't do it for max/msp or reaktor. that would be lovely.
editable with a pen like a wacom tablet (so much better for connecting patch cords), a little qwerty on there somewhere, and knobs and faders.
hopefully we'll get something like this in the next ten years, i think it would probably come from native instruments.
a guy can dream
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Fozzie
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| _ Steve _ wrote: |
There are still features missing from the G2 which were announced before it launched. The only other company I own products by who do that frequently are Akai.
I think also the wait for the v4 software on the NM1, which Clavia announced and then 'forgot' and the fact the NM1 OSX software never got out of Beta...
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I agree Clavia made a couple of mistakes, including the announcement of v4 and then dropping it later on. However, to label them as a company that is among the most notorious manufacturers to sell unfinished products is not appropriate imho. The fact they made it to v3.03 for the classic earns them credit, even though they messed a few other things up regarding the various NMs.
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monobass
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| astroid power-up! wrote: | | i'd love a hardware version of max/msp or reaktor. |
Yeah thats what I want really... The G2 is a surrogate in the meantime!
I'd love sampling features and a more 'digital' control implementation in the G2 interface, but I know it's never coming
| Fozzie wrote: | | I agree Clavia made a couple of mistakes, including the announcement of v4 and then dropping it later on. However, to label them as a company that is among the most notorious manufacturers to sell unfinished products is not appropriate imho. The fact they made it to v3.03 for the classic earns them credit, even though they messed a few other things up regarding the various NMs. |
It's appropriate to me!
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Tim Kleinert
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| astroid power-up! wrote: | i'd love a hardware version of max/msp or reaktor. if they can put these arturia synths in a box with knobs, no reason they couldn't do it for max/msp or reaktor. that would be lovely.
editable with a pen like a wacom tablet (so much better for connecting patch cords), a little qwerty on there somewhere, and knobs and faders.
hopefully we'll get something like this in the next ten years, i think it would probably come from native instruments.
a guy can dream |
No need to dream. Just get this, install max/msp or reaktor on it and off you go. |
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monobass
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| tim wrote: | | No need to dream. Just get this, install max/msp or reaktor on it and off you go. |
It's hideous, its huge, it weighs tons, it's generic. Nah
I agree with the original sentiment that there can be a specific hardware product that fall somewhere between the G2 and Reaktor or Max.
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astroid power-up!
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| tim wrote: | | astroid power-up! wrote: | i'd love a hardware version of max/msp or reaktor. if they can put these arturia synths in a box with knobs, no reason they couldn't do it for max/msp or reaktor. that would be lovely.
editable with a pen like a wacom tablet (so much better for connecting patch cords), a little qwerty on there somewhere, and knobs and faders.
hopefully we'll get something like this in the next ten years, i think it would probably come from native instruments.
a guy can dream |
No need to dream. Just get this, install max/msp or reaktor on it and off you go. |
very very close
but no tamale
1. cheaper
2. lighter
3. only reaktor or max/msp, no windows
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Tim Kleinert
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| _ Steve _ wrote: |
It's hideous, its huge, it weighs tons, it's generic. Nah
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There's a small model too, with 3 octave keyboard, if that's the issue.
Generic?  The expressed wish was to be able to use Max/Msp or Reaktor in a hardware box, and this does exactly that! There's even a touch screen option.
Some people are never satisfied.  
| astroid power-up! wrote: | 1. cheaper
2. lighter
3. only reaktor or max/msp, no windows
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Well, Reaktor and max/msp are computer-based applications, and will remain that. Porting them to a standalone DSP system would be a impossibly gargantuan task.
Lighter? Read above.
Cheaper? Well, you can't have your cake and eat it, I guess. I think those OpenLabs thingies are reasonably priced for what you get, the parts are high spec. |
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astroid power-up!
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all of these things-the g2, the arturia, the open labs box, are all steps in the right direction, imho. i'm just adding my lowly request to the din.
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monobass
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| astroid power-up! wrote: | | all of these things-the g2, the arturia, the open labs box, are all steps in the right direction, imho. i'm just adding my lowly request to the din. |
absolutely... who knows what is round the corner. There were plenty of nay-sayers about the original NM when it was first announced. I'm still prepared to be surprised
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Afro88
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:
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| Kassen wrote: | Yeah, that's true.
The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to look at this as a higher-end groovebox. If you look at it that way it's quite apealing if expensive. |
Yeah that does make it seem attractive, especially given that it's literally designed to model these old classic synths. I'd pay au$2500 for one, but I'd get the focusrite liquidmix first - I (and probably most people for that matter) really don't need any more synths, but dedicated vintage audio processors? Hell yes! |
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monobass
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject:
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| Afro88 wrote: | | I (and probably most people for that matter) really don't need any more synths |
Good point. I don't either.
But if I didn't have any synths I think the Arturia would be quite attractive.
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