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Mr. Byagi
Joined: Jun 08, 2006 Posts: 5 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject:
Reaktor and Reason - compatible? |
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I've got reason on my computer and someone told me that I should look into reaktor. I like what I've seen, and I'm wondering how (or if) they can work together in any way. Is there something else I should be looking into getting to go along with reason instead of reaktor? If so, what is it? |
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Mohoyoho
Joined: Dec 03, 2003 Posts: 1632 Location: Tennessee
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allofdrab
Joined: Sep 08, 2006 Posts: 7 Location: toronto
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:15 am Post subject:
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Mr. Byagi wrote: | Is there something else I should be looking into getting to go along with reason instead of reaktor? If so, what is it? |
If it's Reaktor's modular environment that you like, I suggest you ReWire Reason to Bidule, see how you like it.
Aside from Bidule's built in audio, MIDI and spectral processing capabilites, it also functions as a VST/VSTi plugin host, which allows you to blow your mind looking at all the plugins available.
http://www.plogue.com/forums.html?option=content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=35
Note: Bidule is at the end of a beta cycle, so you may have to wait a some days for the latest version to be released to non-registered users. |
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allofdrab
Joined: Sep 08, 2006 Posts: 7 Location: toronto
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ReaktorFreak
Joined: Sep 28, 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:04 am Post subject:
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I think the best way is using Cubase SX / Nuendo as a host and use Reaktor as Vsti while opening Reason as a ReWire Slave. I've used both programs that way and everything's going well. |
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spacetimegod
Joined: Sep 05, 2008 Posts: 5 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:43 am Post subject:
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If you are using REASON at all you must, I repeat Must, have an Alternate DAW, Such as Pro-tools Or Logic. Reason is a brilliant program but the sound engine is complete crap. Re-wire through another Program and you lose the "Reasony" sound. Plus you can use plug-ins such as Reaktor. |
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ReaktorFreak
Joined: Sep 28, 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:16 am Post subject:
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spacetimegod wrote: | If you are using REASON at all you must, I repeat Must, have an Alternate DAW, Such as Pro-tools Or Logic. Reason is a brilliant program but the sound engine is complete crap. Re-wire through another Program and you lose the "Reasony" sound. Plus you can use plug-ins such as Reaktor. |
I thought the sound engine quality through Rewire is determined by the audio card, i've never knew that the DAW also played a role in sound quality.. i'd really like to know more about it. |
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ew
Joined: Oct 26, 2008 Posts: 9 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject:
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ReaktorFreak wrote: | spacetimegod wrote: | If you are using REASON at all you must, I repeat Must, have an Alternate DAW, Such as Pro-tools Or Logic. Reason is a brilliant program but the sound engine is complete crap. Re-wire through another Program and you lose the "Reasony" sound. Plus you can use plug-ins such as Reaktor. |
I thought the sound engine quality through Rewire is determined by the audio card, i've never knew that the DAW also played a role in sound quality.. i'd really like to know more about it. |
The soundcard has absolutely nothing to do with sound quality in a DAW unless you're recording external audio. All the soundcard's used for is getting audio in and out of the computer.
With virtual instruments you're monitoring through the soundcard, and not recording through it. There's a big difference...
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ReaktorFreak
Joined: Sep 28, 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:41 am Post subject:
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ew wrote: | The soundcard has absolutely nothing to do with sound quality in a DAW unless you're recording external audio. All the soundcard's used for is getting audio in and out of the computer.
With virtual instruments you're monitoring through the soundcard, and not recording through it. There's a big difference...
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So how the sound of a particular softsynth is going to be is determined by the host as well since the host is doing the audio rendering in Rewire i assume.. |
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ew
Joined: Oct 26, 2008 Posts: 9 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:37 am Post subject:
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Besides panning laws, there isn't really any difference between the rendered audio with any host, if you're using the same sample rate/bit depth. It's all 1s and 0s, after all.
The only other place you might see a difference is due to internal resolution- the higher the resolution, the more headroom you have. However, render the same track with two different DAWs; I'm betting you won't hear any difference.
The main differences in DAWs these days are workflow related, what bundled plugins they come with and/or compatibility with third party plugins. Anything else for the most part is just smoke and mirrors.
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ReaktorFreak
Joined: Sep 28, 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject:
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Now i'm getting really confused.. i have some people telling me that protools mix sounded better than nuendo, and from this :
spacetimegod wrote: | If you are using REASON at all you must, I repeat Must, have an Alternate DAW, Such as Pro-tools Or Logic. Reason is a brilliant program but the sound engine is complete crap. Re-wire through another Program and you lose the "Reasony" sound. Plus you can use plug-ins such as Reaktor. |
i thought it means that Rewiring Reason to different DAW produces different result on the audio, and also different from the one that rendered within Reason itself. Guess i was wrong then. |
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ew
Joined: Oct 26, 2008 Posts: 9 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject:
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If you want to believe that, fine. I've heard amazing music done entirely in Reason and absolute crap done in PT HD/Nuendo/what have you.
It all comes down to the artist and which tools he/she feels comfortable with. If you don't have Reason, download the demo and listen to it on its own and ReWired into your host of choice. Hear any difference?
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ReaktorFreak
Joined: Sep 28, 2007 Posts: 65 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject:
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I'm crap at distinguishing audio quality.. thanks for convincing me that the myth is not true, it's been bugging me for a long time. |
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mtvic
Joined: Feb 03, 2003 Posts: 523 Location: Townbank Cape May NJ
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:35 am Post subject:
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welcome ew
are you ew from NI Forums? _________________ "I'm the transmitter' I give information."
"You're the antenna,catch the vibration."
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ew
Joined: Oct 26, 2008 Posts: 9 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:39 am Post subject:
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Thanks for the welcome. And yep, that's me.
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