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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: Cinema style composing Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

When I make a composition, I usually pick up the structure of a movie.
It is a good way to create drama progressions in the music that can be a guideline for the audience. Just think of an old black and white western film:

Start, desert, a lone rider (Slow intro, bass drones)
He enters the city, meets the guy in black hat at the saloon (sequencer patterns, )
They argue . (Rise in intensity)
He rides up to the sad widower that is about to loose her farm (drones again, short notes)
The bad guy attacks the farm (the sequencer pattern is back, with more energy added)
The attack ends (down to a short quiet part until..)
Shoot out in the street, bad guy dies (last fast sequencer part, rise to max level before i gets calo, with slow bass notes)
The End (the music fades away, just like the lone rider...)

A cheap trick, but it works...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:30 am    Post subject: Composition Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Its is cheap, but when you have to work with the pros it gets a litle bit more complicated. What you have there is the spotting ideas. But you also need specific timing cues like: bad guy dies "0:22 to 0:31" and a description of the scene and music feel etc. And it goes like that in the whole movie. So you end up with hundreds of spoting ideas and cues, wich the don't always have the same tempo, feel, purpose, instrumentation, etc. So basically what you have there is step number 1 of the scoring process.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: Composition Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

aldanasjuan wrote:
Its is cheap, but when you have to work with the pros it gets a litle bit more complicated. What you have there is the spotting ideas. But you also need specific timing cues like: bad guy dies "0:22 to 0:31" and a description of the scene and music feel etc. And it goes like that in the whole movie. So you end up with hundreds of spoting ideas and cues, wich the don't always have the same tempo, feel, purpose, instrumentation, etc. So basically what you have there is step number 1 of the scoring process.


Interesting. I would be interested in any other steps of this process you might want to share.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The pressures! (I've read about it, in the past, as well.) No thanks Jack! Surprised

Maybe I'm sorta ... off-centre backwards or something but, I'd rather have the movie written to my soundtracks. Very Happy Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Rykhaard wrote:
The pressures! (I've read about it, in the past, as well.) No thanks Jack! Surprised

Maybe I'm sorta ... off-centre backwards or something but, I'd rather have the movie written to my soundtracks. Very Happy Laughing



I'd rather have the movie written to my soundtracks. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Per wrote:
When I make a composition, I usually pick up the structure of a movie.


Does that make it program music? -- Is it program music if no one but the composer knows the program?

A favorite trick of my mentor was a literal variant of the "Songs Without Words" approach, where one sets notes to a poem and then erases the poem. -- This has as little to do with writing songs as Pers' approach has to do with writing film scores. In neither case is the referent form directly relevant to the objective. The approach is simply a technique for organizing and focusing the semantic content of music .

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