electro-music.com   Dedicated to experimental electro-acoustic
and electronic music
 
    Front Page  |  Radio
 |  Media  |  Forum  |  Wiki  |  Links
Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
 FAQFAQ   CalendarCalendar   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   LinksLinks
 RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in  Chat RoomChat Room 
 Forum index » Instruments and Equipment » WREN
ScaleQuantizer resets notes when patch changed?
Post new topic   Reply to topic
Page 1 of 1 [6 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
Author Message
wakyct



Joined: Dec 30, 2020
Posts: 105
Location: USA
Audio files: 12

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:22 pm    Post subject: ScaleQuantizer resets notes when patch changed? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've noticed that the selected notes of the ScaleQuantizer reset to the default for the selected scale when you change a patch while it's running, for example by adding or deleting a module, connecting a cable, etc.

Seems like a bug?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
blue hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 24163
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 280
G2 patch files: 320

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I know ... Rolling Eyes

It is not exactly a feature indeed .. but with the current way patches are being loaded and saved this is hard to avoid (and with structural changes on the patch the patch is written and read back in the same way as when it would be written to and read from a file).

Thing is the information is in two places, in the set of buttons and in the selected preset. The preset happens to be written to the patch last so it will be read in as the last thing as well .. and so it will override the button settings.

This is not the only module that has/had such issues, made a kludge at some stage to get things right with the ranges that some modules have.

I currently have no control over the write order, or rather it is the order in which a module's sub controls had originally been added to the module ... I'll think about this (again) ... but will not hurry to make yet another kludge for issues like these.

For now, it might be possible to use the NoteQuantizer. Although it does not have the exact same features, some of those can easily be patched. Like chaining is just addition and changes can be detected with the ChangeDetector module. It will not have the Inv output then, and of course there is no dynamic scale selection.

Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen. +
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen. +
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.

vs

Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.

_________________
Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
blue hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 24163
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 280
G2 patch files: 320

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Shocked

Actually it was quite easy to fix it with a manual edit of the DFM file to change the creation order ...

So fixed it ... https://bluehell.nl/blogje/

_________________
Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
wakyct



Joined: Dec 30, 2020
Posts: 105
Location: USA
Audio files: 12

PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice! Thanks jan.

However the new download has the same behavior -- can you confirm the new exe is at the link?

Come to think of it it would be handy to have a build number of some sort viewable when Wren is running...is there anything like that?

edit: found it in general setup, and I'm running the 6.6 version... maybe I need to delete some file first?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
blue hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 24163
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 280
G2 patch files: 320

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmm .. it stopped working here too Shocked Laughing

odd.

edit: oops .. did not properly test it .. when the patch is not running it /seems/ to work .. but once it runs it does not .. back to the drawing board then ... sorry.

_________________
Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
blue hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 24163
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 280
G2 patch files: 320

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Turns out to be a bit harder than expected .. I have a partial solution .. read up at https://bluehell.nl/blogje/forums.html/2021/06/08/bug-in-scalequantizer-revisited/

The thing can get locked now in a custom scale (although there is an escape for it that is not too hard), selecting another preset will not get you out (but selecting C and C# will) ... yet .. all other functionality seems ok.

Will tinker a bit more Rolling Eyes but it does not fit very well into the model .. to have indicators to be selectors as well .. the note buttons as selectors, and the indicators for when a preset is selected.

I just should have made the buttons read only Laughing

_________________
Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic
Page 1 of 1 [6 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Instruments and Equipment » WREN
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Copyright © 2003 through 2009 by electro-music.com - Conditions Of Use