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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:39 am    Post subject: More flexible MIDI sync options Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'd like to be able to use the Master start/stop button, even when slaved to external MIDI clock. See http://www.electro-music.com/forum/post-95377.html for details.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Right! Frankly, MIDI is still promising, I am sure it will be a hot thing someday, but syncing devices together was far more predictable in the old days. The big problem with midi is that it hasn´t been updated and turned into an object oriented protocol. It should have been possible to name each device in your midi enviroment, then create sync scenes for each song and program both tight and sloppy sync scenarios. It should be possible to embed rules and subprograms. These sould be possible to send to a master , travel down the chain or interact or whatever.
Fact is that MIDI is a farce.
You can do a lot with various mature DAWs, but that doesn´t really solve much.
I am sure MIDI was invented by DALEKS.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just remembered, have you tried Midi CC80 on the global channel? Should control start/stop. Maybe you can force it after the real master clock has started.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
Right! Frankly, MIDI is still promising, I am sure it will be a hot thing someday, but syncing devices together was far more predictable in the old days. The big problem with midi is that it hasn´t been updated and turned into an object oriented protocol. It should have been possible to name each device in your midi enviroment, then create sync scenes for each song and program both tight and sloppy sync scenarios. It should be possible to embed rules and subprograms. These sould be possible to send to a master , travel down the chain or interact or whatever.
Fact is that MIDI is a farce.
You can do a lot with various mature DAWs, but that doesn´t really solve much.
I am sure MIDI was invented by DALEKS.


Wow. Not sure I understand that at all.

Making MIDI object-oriented would be a mess; I'm not even sure it applies. Naming devices, settng scenes (a misnomer) embedding rules.. all those would just make it more complicated, not more reliable. Actually.. the entire MI industry as a whole does not have a good track record for making things easy to use, or reliable, or even intuitive; MIDI is probably a good example of that.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
Just remembered, have you tried Midi CC80 on the global channel? Should control start/stop. Maybe you can force it after the real master clock has started.


Yup; tried that; no joy.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jamos wrote:
jksuperstar wrote:
Just remembered, have you tried Midi CC80 on the global channel? Should control start/stop. Maybe you can force it after the real master clock has started.


Yup; tried that; no joy.


I told you! DALEKS!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Considering MIDI was developed prior to 1983, long before networks ditched the token ring concept, or TCP/IP even existed. Considering microcontrollers weren't exactly plentiful back then, it's a fairly decent standard.

The only surprise, is that it hasn't been replaced. I like OSC, which has everything you want Stein, just no big support yet.
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