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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Huge thanks to bill for answering all my questions along the way and for forwarding the doco last night despite being sick with the flu!


Thanks guys for chiming in and helping out. I have had to most wicked flu! I am finally on my feet after almost a week!

Just in case I left that part of the documentation from anyone else's order, here is the pot and switch wire diagram in DOC format. I am sorry I dont have it in a PDF. Maybe someone can DL it, create the PDF, then upload in another post.

I agree also that C5 just sets the frequency of the VCO for the noise clock and is not critical. You can use a ceramic in place of a film capacitor there.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Also I posted some vids of my Bleep Machine on my youtube account. One of which is being CV'd by the EG of the SN-Voice.


Hey Synthmonger, great, glad you got the keyboard problems resolved. I really like the whole portable, self contained, synthesizer concept Very Happy This is what is so inspiring about starting a synthesizer project with just the core electronics of a synthesizer such as the SN Voice or Soundlab, you can put it in just about any form factor you like.

I took a look at all your Youtube videos! DIY in the raw; wacky 10 step sequencer and all!

keep having fun man !

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is a list of the connector housings, headers and pins used for the SN Voice Board.

Housing: Molex PN 10-11-2123 (Digikey WM2611-ND)
Header: Molex PN 22-23-2121 (Digikey WM4210-ND)
Connector Terminal Molex PN 08-50-0114 (Digikey WM1114-ND)


Also, if you are not willing to solder the terminals and prefer a more professional gas tight "crimp" connection, here is a link to Mouser that sells a fairly inexpensive crimp tool to do the job.

http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Msid=53810000&Mkw=640160042

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here 'tis.

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Here 'tis.

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Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Again

I was wondering if by chance was there a differnt part list that should ahve been sent also with the pcb's? I realise di was missing the pot wiring diagrams which Bill has forwarded me....big thanks to Bill for doing that while sick with the flu!

I only ask about the parts list as i sat down to finish this up yesterday and found parts that are on the PCB but not on the list and also the reverse Sad

I cannot find R64 on the parts list or R65 (i think its R65 but its a bit hard to tell as the printing has holes through it but its the resistor next to the sn76477 and it appears to connect to pin 26)
I also dont have C23 or C24 on the parts list.

The list has a C15 listed but for the life of me i cant find this on the PCB Sad

I have a feeling the parts list i grabbed from http://mypeoplepc.com/members/scottnoanh/anatomyofthesnvoice/ is probably not for the final PCB. Am I right and if so where can i find the correct parts list? I'm hoping the parts i've already installed havent changed otherwise i've got alot of part removal to do.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

From the list Bill sent me w/my PCBs:

"Additional components and notes for sMs PCBs-

Resistors
R64, R65 100K

Capacitors
C23, C24 0.01 uF disc

Semiconductors
IC5 78L05 5V Linear Regulator


NOTES:
C15 Mounted at S1 on control panel
LM394 should be ordered in the DIP package"


Hope that helps a bit
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I was wondering if by chance was there a differnt part list that should ahve been sent also with the pcb's? I realise di was missing the pot wiring diagrams which Bill has forwarded me....big thanks to Bill for doing that while sick with the flu!


Holy cow, I am so sorry about that man ! I must have left the parts list in the document package also in addition to leaving out the pot wiring. Embarassed The information Kryptic gave you is 100% correct! Thanks for that Kryptic !

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks heaps Kryptik!!!!
And thanks to bill for confirming Wink
Don't stress Bill we all have bad days.....well i know i do anyway.
The main thing is what i've added so far is correct so no desoldering!!!

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State Machine wrote:
The way I see it, the gain of the non-inverting buffer is about 3.75 and the product of this and 2.8 you measure is about 10.5 V peak to peak. This is what is supposed to be at the output, U4-8. Check R28, R17 and R23 since they set the gain of the device. If they are good and the buffer is not overloaded, just pop another LF444 or TL074 or TL084 in there. I assume you used sockets?Good luck !
Bill

hi bill,
thanks for the screenshots. they helped me a lot: they told me, that there's something completely wrong.
tonight i found myself a little time for troubleshooting the SN voice. i started measuring all resistors and guess what i found? when soldering the 10k resistors i grabbed the wrong package and took 1k!!! (now spread all over the board - i will have a nice time of resoldering these days).

i checked R28 and measured 11.7k! the color code shows 47k. nearly the same for R27 BTW: measured 8.3k, color code shows 47k. and the same for R24 (measured 24.7/color code 33k) and R31 (measured 12k/color code 75k). i don't get it! on the other hand i may not keep track of all the resistor networks/maths?! i hope there's no short somewhere causing these measured values!?

anyway, i will swap the wrong 1k resistors and see...

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thanks for the screenshots. they helped me a lot: they told me, that there's something completely wrong.
tonight i found myself a little time for troubleshooting the SN voice. i started measuring all resistors and guess what i found? when soldering the 10k resistors i grabbed the wrong package and took 1k!!! (now spread all over the board - i will have a nice time of resoldering these days).


Great! Glad you found the trouble. Desoldering thru hole components is not too bad to accomplish. Seems like you will replace 8 in total.
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i checked R28 and measured 11.7k! the color code shows 47k. nearly the same for R27 BTW: measured 8.3k, color code shows 47k. and the same for R24 (measured 24.7/color code 33k) and R31 (measured 12k/color code 75k). i don't get it! on the other hand i may not keep track of all the resistor networks/maths?! i hope there's no short somewhere causing these measured values!?


If the banded value is correct, I would not worry. You are most likely seeing the FX of parallel resistors. As long as you have a value near equal or lower then the banded value, your usually good to go! Very Happy Sometimes it helps to have a known good board (tested and calibrated) and take resistive "signatures" so that you know what their installed values are. This is good for making comparisons during troubleshooting when building more of the same board. Nearly 95% of defects in newly built electronic assemblies stems from workmanship issues (wrong part values, device orientation, solder bridges, etc ..) Its rare that the active and passive components are defective and if they are, it was probably a wiring error that made them go bad .... Shocked

Have fun !
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Nearly 95% of defects in newly built electronic assemblies stems from workmanship issues (wrong part values, device orientation, solder bridges, etc ..) Its rare that the active and passive components are defective and if they are, it was probably a wiring error that made them go bad ....
Have fun !
Bill

the human factor: in fact 100% of issues i had in the 1 1/2 years of my short SDIY career where caused by myself and not a faulty part. Very Happy

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He he... last month I was putting what I thought were 10k resistors on a board. I soldered one of twenty or so before I noticed that the color code was wrong. It was late and I very nearly soldered 20x4=80 of the wrong resistors. Of about thirty values I bought from somebody these were the only ones wrong, if I recall they ended up being 137k. This year I have been switching over to 1% metal film resistors so I have to look more closely to see the bands. Except for some Dale resistors which have the numbers instead.

Anyway, now each time I grab a value of resistors I test them with my meter first.

Happy that your troubleshooting is going well! With any luck my 100pF and 470pF caps will be here monday so I can hear these in action!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I found that all the 30K resistors I had were actually 300K. (after using one and tracking down the fault) Assuming that it was just a silly error on my part, I put them all in the 300K compartment, and ordered some 30Ks. When they arrived, I noticed that I had another 5 bags of 300K resistors, labelled as 30K!

The moral to the story: -

Everyone has bad days.

&

Check what your soldering into your boards!

PS They say a good carpenter measures twice, and cuts once. Maybe a good technician should check twice and solder once.

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the human factor: in fact 100% of issues i had in the 1 1/2 years of my short SDIY career where caused by myself and not a faulty part.


So true for myself. Even after 26 years of this business for me personally Very Happy
Just reminds us we are human Very Happy I have said this before but it bears repeating, "welcome errors and even failure because they will be your best teacher".

So, soon we will be hearing some noise, umm, music .... Wink

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I found that all the 30K resistors I had were actually 300K. (after using one and tracking down the fault) Assuming that it was just a silly error on my part, I put them all in the 300K compartment, and ordered some 30Ks. When they arrived, I noticed that I had another 5 bags of 300K resistors, labelled as 30K!


Funny, I just did the same thing with 1K resistors! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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With any luck my 100pF and 470pF caps will be here monday so I can hear these in action!


Awesome ! Be patient when trimming the VCO, it takes a bit of work. I was lucky enough to have a frequency counter and a precision DC source on hand in my lab. If not, use your trusty ears and a calibrated MIDI to CV if you have which will make your life easier. Very Happy If you don't have a MIDI/CV unit, a good bench supply and a multimeter will come in handy as I would not trust the supply metering. The multi will be much more accurate. Just some things you probably know but figured I would just pass the information to others if they are reading.

Good luck !!!

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So, soon we will be hearing some noise, umm, music .... Wink
Bill

soon but not shortly - the PS3100 PCBs are announced to arrive on monday so i will busy with them these days...
then i wonder if i should offer some ssm2044 PCB/IC kits? but yes: i am eager to make some music and or noise with all of my modules.

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if i should offer some ssm2044 PCB/IC kits?


I would definitely buy a kit if you had them to offer ...... Very Happy Nice filter !!!!

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Does anybody have a spare sn76477 for sale?

My twin wishes to become a veritable trifecta Cool

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fonik wrote:

soon but not shortly - the PS3100 PCBs are announced to arrive on monday so i will busy with them these days...
then i wonder if i should offer some ssm2044 PCB/IC kits? but yes: i am eager to make some music and or noise with all of my modules.


I would be in for a few PCB's I have the ssm2044 and have been playing with them on the breadboard with some good results
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fonik wrote:

soon but not shortly - the PS3100 PCBs are announced to arrive on monday so i will busy with them these days...
then i wonder if i should offer some ssm2044 PCB/IC kits? but yes: i am eager to make some music and or noise with all of my modules.


I would be in for a few PCB's I have the ssm2044 and have been playing with them on the breadboard with some good results

actually don't want to kidnap this thread but i built a filter module with the schematic i published in the following thread and it works great: sounds great as a a filter and stays in tune and scale as sin wave oscillator...
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-15933.html&sid=d55e19700a6aaa27177b28607d8ddf56

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Hi guys, here's a rough design of a Doepfer styled front panel I intend to use for my SN Voice modules.

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EDIT: Attached layout updated with a newer version due to the loss of the original in the great (or not so great depending on your opinion) crash of 2007. Also added the panel description document.


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That looks great!
Some of the dial labels are a little bit cramped, but maybe if you dropped the knob diameter a tad it would fit better. Very function layout though. Makes me want to build one.

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Uncle Krunkus wrote:
That looks great!
Some of the dial labels are a little bit cramped, ...

...as is on the original doepfer layouts. looks really great.
BTW isn't the labeling of the jacks a little bit to close?
anyway a great layout.

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