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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I need a corel or eps format file.
Are there more people who want a panel like that in dotcom format?
Because that really breaks down the price a lot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mono-poly wrote:
Are there more people who want a panel like that in dotcom format?

i would be interested in such a panel, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have been sourcing parts for this panel and have not been able to find an eight position rotary switch that is evenly spaced like I have it laid out. If anybody has a source I would be happy to hear about it. Otherwise I will have to change that part of the Range section a little before this gets printed.

mono-poly, I can save it from Illustrator as an EPS but I cannot add it as an attachment to the forum. PM me your e-mail and I will try to send it that way. What is the price looking like? If you don't mind me asking.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Budgrubber wrote:
I have been sourcing parts for this panel and have not been able to find an eight position rotary switch that is evenly spaced like I have it laid out. ...


i used c&k A12515RNZQ

mouser p/n 611-A12515RNZQ

shaft is long, but plastic so easy to cut down.

i also opened it up and cut the stop tab off so it rotates 360
(which i had expected it to do as manufactured...)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bugfight wrote:


i used c&k A12515RNZQ

mouser p/n 611-A12515RNZQ



Yes! That looks like it will work and it doesn't cost a fortune. Once my order of switches and LED's comes in I should have everything ready to go. Except the panel itself of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok, here's my design:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Clear layout, nice looking panel!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmmm,
very nice looking, functional layout.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Um, sorry to do this but it's "Coarse" not "Course." sigh
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i think he modded it so it changes directions instead. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Hmmm,
very nice looking, functional layout.


Blue Hell wrote:
Clear layout, nice looking panel!


thanks guys!

BananaPlug wrote:
Um, sorry to do this but it's "Coarse" not "Course." sigh


dammit!
i guess i'll just chuck this in the garbage and start over...

but wait...
what's this little blue marker do?


ultra wrote:
i think he modded it so it changes directions instead. Wink


hmmm knotical...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Fonik, Krunkus, anyone with sliders, can someone please tell me how much panel space the sliders take up?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

neandrewthal wrote:
Fonik, Krunkus, anyone with sliders, can someone please tell me how much panel space the sliders take up?

i got alpha's 30mm travel sliders from futurlec. they are about 45mm x 10mm. i placed them with a horizontal spacing of 15mm, considering the knobs i wanted to use.
however, try to find a datasheet for the sliders or even wait with manufacturing the panel until you got your sliders. safety first. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My sliders are a no-name type from Dick Smith.
They're 45mm travel, body 73mm long, 13mm wide, with mounting holes (tapped 3mm) at 65mm centres. I mounted them 17mm apart which requires smaller (10mm wide) knobs than usual. I had to get the knobs from Farnell, they were actually the hardest part of my Klee to source, and the last part placed.
I was thinking the other day that if I were to make another Klee I would replace the sliders with a switch of some type. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I reckon 95% of the time you actually want the sliders to be at a particular ratio of the maximum voltage scale (which is very flexible anyway) and the ability to dial in an exact fraction is a bit over rated.
A 6 position rotary with a matched resistor network around 5 positions (0,25,50,75,100%) plus a small rotary pot on the 6th position for the extra flexibility.
Just an idea.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:

I was thinking the other day that if I were to make another Klee I would replace the sliders with a switch of some type. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I reckon 95% of the time you actually want the sliders to be at a particular ratio of the maximum voltage scale (which is very flexible anyway) and the ability to dial in an exact fraction is a bit over rated.
A 6 position rotary with a matched resistor network around 5 positions (0,25,50,75,100%) plus a small rotary pot on the 6th position for the extra flexibility.
Just an idea.

absolutely! IIRC we discussed this in the original thread. i was thinking about that, too. someone was pointing to a 4x4 switch matrix with colored illuminated rubber switches, i am not able to find the link, though. i was thinking of using three of them, one for the pattern and one for the gates (only two busses then) and one for the sliders. would make a nice predictable uncertainty (or unpredictable certainty?) sequencer.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

does anybody remember this switch matrix i am talking about?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

was it the sparkfun 4x4?

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7835
they are kinda big...

i made this for midibox:
http://www.midibox.org/forum/forums.html/topic,10004.msg74631.html#msg74631

in fact, you could replace the entire digital board with a midibox
and get clock, noise, midi sync, stored patches, etc etc

add analog out and you can replace the analog pcb too...
long sequences, multiple outs, wheee
maybe someday...

this has gone a bit off topic though, eh?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bugfight wrote:
was it the sparkfun 4x4?

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7835
they are kinda big...

BINGO! thank you so much!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My Klee V2. Original a 19" panel homemade with sharpie marker (posted back in this thread I believe).


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: MOTM KLEE Panel Design
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Hi guys,

Based off of my MFOS Rotary panel, here is my in progress KLEE panel. I hope to get the kinks worked out of this and maybe production of them through someone (no announcement yet though). The start washers are where push button will go. Large nuts = jacks, small nuts = switches, etc. Those black plugs on some of the holes are Lumex LED's upside down to represent the style I will be using. Thoughts?

Thomas


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just checked out the 1st half of Divide By Odd - 1st Movement from your webpage. I can't WAIT to hear what you start doing when your Klee is done! DVO is one of the coolest ambient pieces I've heard in a long, long time! (Not enough time tonight to listen to the whole thing).
The ever changing drones in the background with seemingly odd but not, burblings in the foreground ...... Smile Barking right up my own ambient alley - further inspiring me in my return in building to build FASTER so that I can get enough of my machine up and running to begin composing on it. Very Happy

Great work sir! Looking forward to more from ya! Shocked Very Happy Especially with the power of the Klee! (Reminding myself to start on building mine, SOON! Smile )
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the answers about the sliders guys. I was thinking of having a go at designing one to become a bridechamber panel but not after that Shocked I'm buying one for sure. Looks great!

Edit: I just noticed you said no announcements yet. Didn't Scott Deyo say it's "officially ripped off"?

The only thing I'd change is expand the oval a bit to better fill the space that is available. That would give us just a little more space between the knobs.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, the knobs might look a bit close together, but in my rotary MFOS build the entire center circle of "fine" knobs is as close together as the closest of spacing on this build. I have no experience yet with the KLEE but those who I have spoken with say you end up playing with the load switches often. I don't want to get the oval so big as to interfere with the bus switches for gates or load.

The circle/oval is easy to adjust based on tweaking from the outside edge of the pots and there is no interference with the grabbing of them from both sides either. The only thing I might change is to either shift the oval to the right a bit or two move the switches by the external input jacks on the left. Now that I have had a full night of sleep I seem to think the spacing could be more balanced to the right side of the module.

Scott Deyo... hold on any planning till we get this just right please. Yes, Scott will likely be working to get this out to the masses for one of his awesome prices. Glad to see you're interested and thanks for the feedback. Can the KLEE users out there give this a functionality look over please? Thanks guys!

Thomas

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Functionality wise it looks just fine.
Very cool looking panel.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I was thinking the other day that if I were to make another Klee I would replace the sliders with a switch of some type. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I reckon 95% of the time you actually want the sliders to be at a particular ratio of the maximum voltage scale (which is very flexible anyway) and the ability to dial in an exact fraction is a bit over rated.


At least for the method of how I use the Klee, I'd have to disagree. This would sort of kill things for one step sequences. For the higher range sequences, the small adjustments do make quite a bit of difference. Lately I've taken to tuning steps to a keyboard in the high range, then going from there. They often "compress" nicely down to the lower ranges. I wouldn't be able to do that with switches.

But each to their own. Very Happy

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