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281 clone project- taking orders now for last run of these..
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interested in a PCB or 4?
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toppobrillo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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all works fine and dandy


Cool alright!! good to hear it Cool

have fun!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Started collecting parts for a build and am having trouble finding an L7810 anywhere (Mouser said the part they used to carry is now obsolete) - could anyone tell me where I could get one in the states (or a correct substitute - I'm building 4 boards so don't think I could use the less beefy one that's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread).

Edit - found this one:

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=4kLU8WoGk0vJnJbo9hrOCg%3d%3d

would this be enough for 4 boards? I guess since they're in pairs I should say for 2 boards.

Which is another question - the BOM says use 1 for multiple generators, but in the docs showing the difference between the A and B boards IC5 is on both boards - does an L7810 go on every board or one per pair?

Also, sorry if these are dumb questions, but didn't find anything in the thread or documentation to answer this but:

1) What are "LV+ and LV-", bead, low-ohm resistors? Could you recommend a value for these? Also, what is "bead" - I've seen this referenced in a few projects but haven't encountered it directly yet.

2) What is the difference within range you suggest for the trim pot (20-50K) - in other words, what are the reasons I'd pick a 20K over a 50K - how would this change the circuit?

3) What would you recommend as a high-quality .1-.18uf cap? I can't seem to find a polystyrene cap close to that range.

Thanks!
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a.b.o.z.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

josh how do I wire peak in jack?
does it go to PI on B board?

thnx


ivan
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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would this be enough for 4 boards? I guess since they're in pairs I should say for 2 boards.


1 to-220 regulator should be plenty for 4 boards- be sure and use adequate filtering on the 10V supply though.. around 47uF per each pair of PCBs is recommended.

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What are "LV+ and LV-", bead, low-ohm resistors? Could you recommend a value for these? Also, what is "bead" - I've seen this referenced in a few projects but haven't encountered it directly yet.


you can install a jumper there if you want-

typically 10 Ohms or less. a 'bead' is a ferrite bead, an inductor. see this for some info: http://www.murata.com/emc/knowhow/pdfs/te04ea-1/23to25e.pdf

a small ferrite bead here probably doesn't do much for this project, as this circuit operates up to low audio frequencies and uses slow op-amps. also, the power rail switching noise produced by this circuit isn't much.

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What is the difference within range you suggest for the trim pot (20-50K) - in other words, what are the reasons I'd pick a 20K over a 50K - how would this change the circuit?


more/less range to the trim. either is OK, 20K seems harder to get.

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What would you recommend as a high-quality .1-.18uf cap? I can't seem to find a polystyrene cap close to that range.


polyester would work fine. where are you ordering parts?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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1 to-220 regulator should be plenty for 4 boards- be sure and use adequate filtering on the 10V supply though.. around 47uF per each pair of PCBs is recommended.


Which pads on the boards specifically would these filtering cap go and how many capacitors is this generally split up into - how many on each board per pair of boards? Just 1 47uf on 1 of the boards per pair ok?

The documentation also mentions .1uf ceramic caps should be installed throughout, wherever space is given - where are these pads on the boards - how are they marked on the component side exactly?

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polyester would work fine. where are you ordering parts?


From Mouser. Speaking of which, did that specific regulator look ok?

Think I'll use this cap:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=lVclaY0kMPt%252bCHS%252bgcCyIw%3d%3d

Thanks so much!!!

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would this be enough for 4 boards? I guess since they're in pairs I should say for 2 boards.


1 to-220 regulator should be plenty for 4 boards- be sure and use adequate filtering on the 10V supply though.. around 47uF per each pair of PCBs is recommended.

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What are "LV+ and LV-", bead, low-ohm resistors? Could you recommend a value for these? Also, what is "bead" - I've seen this referenced in a few projects but haven't encountered it directly yet.


you can install a jumper there if you want-

typically 10 Ohms or less. a 'bead' is a ferrite bead, an inductor. see this for some info: http://www.murata.com/emc/knowhow/pdfs/te04ea-1/23to25e.pdf

a small ferrite bead here probably doesn't do much for this project, as this circuit operates up to low audio frequencies and uses slow op-amps. also, the power rail switching noise produced by this circuit isn't much.

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What is the difference within range you suggest for the trim pot (20-50K) - in other words, what are the reasons I'd pick a 20K over a 50K - how would this change the circuit?


more/less range to the trim. either is OK, 20K seems harder to get.

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What would you recommend as a high-quality .1-.18uf cap? I can't seem to find a polystyrene cap close to that range.


polyester would work fine. where are you ordering parts?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok, I give up! I'll take 2 more Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:44 am    Post subject: Quadrature Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi, just a quick question:

The oscilloscope picture describing the Quadrature mode in your builder's guide
http://www.sdiy.org/toppobrillo/twoeightyone.html
seems to show some three-phase behaviour caused either by retrigging A at its end instead of at B's end, or by trigging A repeatedly from some external clock.

I suppose the b281 clones are capable of true quadrature as well? Smile
(where A is started at the end of B, giving four phases instead of the three in the picture)

PS. I haven't looked through the 21 pages in this thread for the answer, sorry.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Topp,

I would like to order 8 boards. Please let me know when to transfer the funds, thanks.

Regards,
Ringer
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a.b.o.z.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've sent you PM Josh, I'm in for 2.

Cheers,

Ivan
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toppobrillo



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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seems to show some three-phase behaviour caused either by retrigging A at its end instead of at B's end, or by trigging A repeatedly from some external clock.


yes you're right, A is retriggering itself- if B's endpulse was used to retrigger A, you'd have symmetrical trapezoids.
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Ok, I give up! I'll take 2 more


ok i will send you a PM.
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I've sent you PM Josh, I'm in for 2.

got it, sending you a PM.

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Hi Topp,

I would like to order 8 boards


ok, sending a PM.

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Which pads on the boards specifically would these filtering cap go and how many capacitors is this generally split up into - how many on each board per pair of boards? Just 1 47uf on 1 of the boards per pair ok?


C4 is the designator, yes that's fine.

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The documentation also mentions .1uf ceramic caps should be installed throughout, wherever space is given - where are these pads on the boards - how are they marked on the component side exactly?


they are marked with "c", except for one, near a regulator in the first release. there were a few minor errors which will be rectified in the 2nd run. i guess i should really add that info to the page..

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From Mouser. Speaking of which, did that specific regulator look ok?

Think I'll use this cap:


should work fine. and the regulator too..
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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there were a few minor errors which will be rectified in the 2nd run. i guess i should really add that info to the page..


If you could do that and mention what those specific changes are in the thread that would be great.

Thanks again for all the info!!!

1 more question - which PCB mounted pots did you use and where did you get them? I can't find any Alpha 50K linear PCB mount pots (which it looks like you used on your prototype but in a later photo it looks like you used a different brand possibly). Small Bear has some but for the right resistance and taper they only have right-angle mount. So far I've been using solder lug pots in all of my projects but starting with this build I would really like to start using PCB mount pots.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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1 more question - which PCB mounted pots did you use and where did you get them?


generic chinese pots i got from work. Futurlec has 50K PCB mt. alpha's.. i got some, they are OK but not as good as other alpha's i've had- a bit sticky, but a little contact cleaner helps.

you can use 10Ks as per the original, 100ks too but the control curve would be a bit funny.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great - thanks again.

topp wrote:
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1 more question - which PCB mounted pots did you use and where did you get them?


generic chinese pots i got from work. Futurlec has 50K PCB mt. alpha's.. i got some, they are OK but not as good as other alpha's i've had- a bit sticky, but a little contact cleaner helps.

you can use 10Ks as per the original, 100ks too but the control curve would be a bit funny.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Buchla 281 clone cyclic problem
Subject description: 281 stops cycling after a while
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Hope this helps someone.

I had built and tested all the boards individually and everything worked fine. I then proceeded to install the 4 boards into the panel and wired together. The cycle mode would stop functioning after a minute or so. The solution was to replace the ferite bead/jumper with 10 ohm resistors on all the boards. Problem solved!

This was with my bench supply and not my case supply - a "Power-One", which may have worked OK.

Also thanks to zthee who mentioned his power supply issues
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dave- i would like to understand this better- are you saying that you had 4 FGs all cycling, or one? after about a minute's time it/they suddenly stopped? and how does this relate to zthee's problem? [hope you [zthee] figured it out by the way] anyways i am glad of course that it's not happening anymore, but i don't believe it should have required the changes that you made. i also really wouldn't suspect that your PSU is the problem, assuming that it's properly regulated and able to source enough current [not much]. so, if you wouldn't mind describing the circumstances/setup in more detail, i would appreciate it.

thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello!

I just PM'd ordering four!

Thanks!

TRON
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

last day for orders.. if you haven't confirmed your order yet, you will be getting a PM from me shortly..

thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm in for four if I can still get in.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Josh, I had ordered six from this new run- please cancel my order. I have "enough" of them already...thanks for the project!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No worry's ... I could use two extra Razz ..

topp ?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

are there a few resistors on the PCB that arent on the BOM? 13,18, 43 i think? i know there are 3 resistors that i couldnt find on BOM. anyone have these? also, there is a "c" cap that's in the top left corner, non polarized. 100nf ceramic? thanks for any leads.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

R13 is a 680 Ohm, R18 is 4.7K, and R43 is 220K- these last 2 were accidentally left off the BOM.

c is 100nF yes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

updated the BOM [finally]
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

D11 OPTIONAL.

What is GATE Priority in cycle mode ?

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Any extras?
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I'll take four if any extras come up Smile

Thanks,
Dave
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