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ericcoleridge

Joined: Jan 16, 2007 Posts: 889 Location: NYC
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:08 am Post subject:
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Yeah, I guess I chose my words poorly. Obviously, no one wants a graphic equalizer-- but rather, I was imagining something closer to the Moog Filter Bank module/String Filter/ Parametric EQ/ Etc.
I just don't know if there is any point in limiting the frequency range of the various stages of this design-- or if it would be a more functional design to leave it the way it is with three filters at full frequency range. I guess it depends on what one wants to use the design for. I don't think the extra cost of vactrols necessarily makes them a poor design choice for a parametric eq. |
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/mr

Joined: Aug 05, 2007 Posts: 223 Location: Elektron City, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:27 am Post subject:
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| ericcoleridge wrote: | | I just don't know if there is any point in limiting the frequency range of the various stages of this design-- or if it would be a more functional design to leave it the way it is with three filters at full frequency range. |
Did you really intend to limit the range, not to move it?
And how "full" is the peak frequency range to begin with? I guess it's not 20-20000 Hz, so using different capacitor values in order to shift them a bit to different ranges sounds imho more useful than having them at identical ranges.
Now I see in this SOS article that the resonator works over the range 100Hz-10kHz, that is just half the audible spectrum. Giving them ranges like
40Hz-4kHz
80Hz-8kHz
160Hz-16kHz
would probably be more useful when used more like a parametric eq.
| ericcoleridge wrote: | | I don't think the extra cost of vactrols necessarily makes them a poor design choice for a parametric eq. |
No, definitely not. But for a graphic one.  |
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ericcoleridge

Joined: Jan 16, 2007 Posts: 889 Location: NYC
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:58 am Post subject:
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| /mr wrote: |
Now I see in this SOS article that the resonator works over the range 100Hz-10kHz, that is just half the audible spectrum. Giving them ranges like
40Hz-4kHz
80Hz-8kHz
160Hz-16kHz
would probably be more useful when used more like a parametric eq.
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Do you think that substituting cap values for various ranges as used in opamp feedback path of a filter bank like this, for instance, might be somewhat applicable to the Resonator? |
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/mr

Joined: Aug 05, 2007 Posts: 223 Location: Elektron City, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:33 am Post subject:
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| ericcoleridge wrote: | | /mr wrote: |
...just half the audible spectrum. Giving them ranges like
40Hz-4kHz
80Hz-8kHz
160Hz-16kHz
would probably be more useful when used more like a parametric eq. |
Do you think that substituting cap values for various ranges as used in opamp feedback path of a filter bank like this, for instance, might be somewhat applicable to the Resonator? |
The filter topology is different, so it's hard to say directly...
but the R's and C's around the OPamp determine the frequency and Q.
Does anybody have the filter formulas for our PS resonator at hand?
I haven't been able to find them anywhere yet. |
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fonik

Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:27 am Post subject:
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i finished the building docs for the 2nd run PCBs:
http://www.modular.fonik.de/pdf/PS3100.pdf
i will have no access to internet or email for the next 2 weeks! we are moving and the provider is not able to move the wideband connection without downtime.
hopefully i will have some good news as soon as i am online again...
so have a nice one. _________________
cheers,
matthias
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Tronato
Joined: Sep 21, 2007 Posts: 274 Location: Florida
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:48 am Post subject:
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Hello!
One for me please!
Thanks!
TRON |
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Peake

Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:
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I've always wanted 16 channels of VC BPF for resonation (fixed filters, unless using integrators, displease). One thought was to have a global CV input called Spread, which would, from a single CV, move all of the filters apart in frequency (the middle ones just a little, and the outer ones increasingly more and more, requiring trimmed inverting CV paths for half of the filters). Playing with the audio ins on the Andromeda, playing the 16 voice's filters via the keyboard and ribbon gives rise to this modular concept.
But now I'm reading that this design is only functional across half of the audio spectrum.  |
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mono71
Joined: Mar 24, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: Buenos Aires - Argentina
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject:
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Hi Matthias,
is there place for one PCB reservation ?
If yes, please add mine.
Thanks
Cheers
Gustavo.- |
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/mr

Joined: Aug 05, 2007 Posts: 223 Location: Elektron City, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:23 am Post subject:
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| Peake wrote: | | I've always wanted 16 channels of VC BPF for resonation (fixed filters |
VC but fixed? (ok, just kidding, I see your point)
| Quote: | But now I'm reading that this design is only functional across half of the audio spectrum.  |
Yes, but would you really need ALL the bands to go over the WHOLE audio spectrum?
I wonder how wide the span could be made with this construction. Some filter formulas would be nice, hint hint.  |
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widdly
Joined: Jun 25, 2007 Posts: 268 Location: singapore
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject:
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I'd say it's much more than half the audio spectrum. 100Hz to 10kHz is more like 90% of the audio spectrum if you think in terms of octaves.
Filter formula would be nice. There are some formula for Single Op-Amp Bandpass Filter here.. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/opamp.htm#bandpass.gif
.. but the topology looks a bit different from the ones here. Anyway I think those figures would be guesstimates considering the tolerance of vactrols. Last edited by widdly on Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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/mr

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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:42 am Post subject:
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| widdly wrote: | | I'd say it's much more than half the audio spectrum. 100Hz to 10kHz is more like 90% of the audio spectrum if you think in terms of octaves. |
Interesting... How do you explain the almost 2½ lost octaves between 20Hz and 100Hz, and the one above 10k?
No, 100-10k is 6.6 octaves, which means 66% of the audio spectrum.
I got it a bit wrong when I said it was just half the spectrum, I was thinking 100*100 instead of 100*10.
| widdly wrote: | | Anyway I think those figures would be guesstimates considering the tolerance of vactrols. |
Not the tolerance, but the resistance span.
VTL5C3/2 has a rated ON resistance of 2 kohms (at 40 mA, ouch!) or 55 kohms (at 1 mA). Its OFF resistance is 10 Mohms (after 10 seconds). Between these values the span could get as big as 5000x (which means 12 octaves if the filter frequency is linearly dependant of the Vactrol resistance), but practical considerations in current and timing will limit the span quite a bit... |
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/mr

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Cat-A-Tonic
Joined: Mar 24, 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Yokohama, Japan
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:54 am Post subject:
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| I would like a PS3100 PCB please. |
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Master of Circles
Joined: Jun 27, 2007 Posts: 14 Location: Hamburg
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:25 am Post subject:
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as I wrote in the PM or was it an email??
Two Boards please. |
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fonik

Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:13 am Post subject:
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i am online again. still don't have net access at home, though.
PCBs have arrived and i will populate and test one this week. we moved to our new home last week and there is still a lot of work to do. however i started to arrange my new S-DIY workspace!
thanks to you all for your patience. _________________
cheers,
matthias
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fonik

Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:59 am Post subject:
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finished the test PCB yesterday and it is resonating...
i will do some additional testing on weekend and review the original thread of the 1st run for additional info that might will be incorporated into the documentation.
await PMs containing payment info on monday. there are at least two projects going to be released this week on e-m (the buchla 281 clone will provide some nice functions for the resonators, i think) - so don't spend all your money on the weekends amusements  _________________
cheers,
matthias
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/mr

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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:36 am Post subject:
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| fonik wrote: | | there are at least two projects going to be released this week on e-m (the buchla 281 clone will provide some nice functions for the resonators, i think) |
Aaaahhhh, Buchla... and the 281 - one of the modules I was planning to clone! How good to hear!  |
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fonik

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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:42 am Post subject:
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yeah, i am realy keen on josh's b281 PCBs. he did an outstanding job on these. ...and my new cabinet will be filled faster then i wanted to... _________________
cheers,
matthias
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fonik

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject:
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here are some pics of the new resonator:
the bare board
enough room for 500V silver mica caps
the populated PCB
testing
and last but not least my new workspace (i used to solder on my computers desk until now)
i will start to send out PMs later this day. i won't be able to PM everyone today, so just give me two days or three... _________________
cheers,
matthias
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asafnetzer
Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 112 Location: Israel
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:30 am Post subject:
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Have just seen those pictures on flickr, looking great.
500V capacitors  |
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/mr

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:24 am Post subject:
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| fonik wrote: | | enough room for 500V silver mica caps |
What does this voltage rating mean practically? For electrolytic caps, I've heard that one should choose a voltage rating near the voltage used in the actual construction. Does it matter at all for silver mica caps?
(I saw at Banzaieffects/Musikding that all capacitance values might not be available in lower voltage ratings.) |
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fonik

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:29 am Post subject:
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these big caps just look so good. very impressing.
i've heard, the higher the voltage rating the lower the ESR. i don't think i would hear/experience any difference. in fact i actually don't know what difference i should or could experience
maybe one of the experts could chime in? _________________
cheers,
matthias
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fonik

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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:05 am Post subject:
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everyone who expressed interest in one or more PCBs should have recieved a PM now. if not, don't hesitate to contact me. _________________
cheers,
matthias
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fonik

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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:24 am Post subject:
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all PCBs are now spoken for. however i will start a waiting list in case not all ordered PCBs get sold in the end.
BTW the first PCBs reached destination.
i'd really like to see pictures of what you've done with them. i mean, last year i sold 100(!) Resonator PCBs and saw only 5 pictures of finished modules... _________________
cheers,
matthias
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prophei

Joined: Jan 27, 2007 Posts: 234 Location: san francisco, ca
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:28 am Post subject:
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| fonik wrote: | all PCBs are now spoken for. however i will start a waiting list in case not all ordered PCBs get sold in the end.
BTW the first PCBs reached destination.
i'd really like to see pictures of what you've done with them. i mean, last year i sold 100(!) Resonator PCBs and saw only 5 pictures of finished modules... |
i hope you got my paypal in time  |
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