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You know what's a real load of crap?
How some say tv doesn't make people aggressive and violent and thinking about going to fox studios and burning the place down... with all the fckhds locked in.  |
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Uncle Krunkus
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I agree,
I work as a projectionist at the local cinema, and you should see some of the violent shit which it's fine for 10 and 12 year olds to watch. But for some reason, the censors feel it's inappropriate for them to view a naked breast! 
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| mosc wrote: | | On that last point about keeping national individualism, I think it's very important. In a union of states, like the USA, there is always a trade off between the national government and states rights. I do not think there is a solution to this dichotomy, but rather an ebb and flow driven by the political process. |
I think important ramifications of this point are summarized well in the book Germs, Guns and Steel, especially in the discussion of loosely coupled cultures in Europe versus centrally controlled culture in China over thousands of years.
| Quote: | Chinese civilization was founded on the domestication of irrigation-dependent crops. Rice grows in the wild along riverbanks and in swampy regions where the grasses enjoy year-round partial submersion. In order to replicate this environment, the earliest Chinese farmers had to construct fairly complex systems of irrigation, supplied by the Yangtze and Yellow rivers. This, it is argued, influenced the development of two social phenomena. First, the establishment of a central social organization and hierarchy, founded upon the construction and maintenance of irrigation networks. Second, because of the geographic distribution of the Yellow and Yangtze rivers – flowing almost parallel to one another, from central China to the pacific coast – Chinese civilization grew organically outwards, from one central-east heartland – a heartland which controlled the mechanics of irrigation.
European civilization, on the other hand, was founded upon the domestication of rainfall-dependent crops – wheat and barley, which will grow anywhere, as long as it rains for part of the year. This, Diamond argues, allowed farming communities, villages, towns and eventually cities to emerge autonomously, all across Europe. There was never any need for a central authority to control irrigation across the continent. Instead, from its very inception, European society was destined to become fragmented – independent, autonomous and competitive.
So what about the shape of the continents?
China is essentially a fertile basin, enclosed by a ring of insurmountable geographic obstacles – ocean to the east, desert to the north, mountains to the south and an enormous, man-made wall to the west. This centrally-organized culture, which could expand rapidly for thousands of miles right up to its natural borders, could exist quite happily in isolation providing irrigation agriculture was maintained. It had no need to compete with neighboring states. In fact, the basin of China was so vast, there were few neighboring states, and for thousands of years the Chinese empire progressed along its own isolated path.
Europe, on the other hand, with it four mountain ranges, five peninsulas, dozens of rivers, islands, and proximity to the coast of north Africa, was geographically destined to become a cultural melting pot. Independent, organically grown states emerged cheek by jowl, and were separated by distinct, but not insurmountable, geographical barriers.
In 1492, rejected by the King of Portugal for lack of funds, Christopher Columbus simply travelled to Portugal's neighbor and rival, Castile, and instead pitched for exploration funds there. Fuelled by the desire to compete, patrons and princes throughout Europe were prepared to invest in outlandish ventures, and provided Columbus with the necessary capital to explore new lands.
In China, the greatest treasure ships that the world had ever seen, were disbanded one day, on the whim of an Emperor. Unlike Columbus, the Admiral of the Imperial fleet, had no rival princes on whom he could call. There was little incentive for China to seek its fortune outside of its heartland – the Empire had everything it needed, right in its own backyard. And in such a vast nation ruled by the will of one man, there was simply no choice but to obey. |
Globalization brings certain dangers to the cultural vitality of homo sapiens. Perhaps heterogeneity will need to arise from virtual geography.
Stuart A. Kauffman, formerly a scientist at U. Pennsylvania and Santa Fe Institute and currently a U. Calgary, has spent much of his career abstracting and then applying models of complex systems with various degrees of coupling between the components, and maybe not surprisingly, has determined the optimum degree of coupling for creative co-evolution is relatively loose coupling. Excess coupling between components causes complex systems to converge prematurely and suboptimally.
Counter-culture, anyone?
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Neo-Nazi paganism |
Srsly? Isn't that like saying "war-like Buddhists"? |
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I'm with Les. My girlfriend and I have a TV, but it's not connected to any service and never will be. It's sole purpose is to play whatever DVD we want to watch (we just watched Sicko. I had lost some respect for Moore when he begged Nader not to run. This film brought a lot of that respect back).
I can barely co-exist with an increasingly rude, violent and arrogant society in this country. It starts at a very early age - when kids these days are allowed to run around doing whatever they want and screaming their bratty little heads off as if they're dying or something (they're just playing). One time we drove down the driveway to the main street. A kid in the road wouldn't get out of the way, and when he finally moved, this rugrat ran down the road behind us waving his middle finger. He's going to run into a real turd behind the wheel who will run him over or shoot him, or something. He was lucky he got to wave his middle finger at us decent folks instead of someone more like... him.
I just know a lot of this is thanks to rampant propaganda media. Money this, violence that, Rush beat me with a whiffle ball bat.
| Inventor wrote: | I don't own a television. I gave them all away and never looked back. Fox News, Reality TV, commercials... it seems to be so destructive to society. In particular, I have noticed that during the past 15 years, young people 25 or below have become meaner and nastier every year. Not everyone and maybe not you in particular, but as a general social trend my observation is valid.
Reality TV teaches them to victimize others for their own reward and to reward the victimizers. Commercials increasingly assault the mind with psychologically programmed messages designed to capture the attention of an audience over-saturated with violence and abuse. And CSI and other shows of its kind have warped the minds of people to the point that they don't seem to even understand that violence is wrong anymore.
It's sick, it's twisted, and it's evil. I'll never watch TV again!
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| audiodef wrote: | | dewdrop_world wrote: |
Neo-Nazi paganism |
Srsly? Isn't that like saying "war-like Buddhists"? |
Not at all, National socialism and paganism have close ties. It was the god of Abraham they had trouble with.
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Not at all, National socialism and paganism have close ties. |
Quite, at least if we say that paganism in this context is the general western world new age occultism soup that evolved from the previous century and btw is still quite active these days as well. And I´m sure that is what thundarr suggests.
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| audiodef wrote: | I'm with Les. My girlfriend and I have a TV, but it's not connected to any service and never will be. It's sole purpose is to play whatever DVD we want to watch (we just watched Sicko. I had lost some respect for Moore when he begged Nader not to run. This film brought a lot of that respect back).
I can barely co-exist with an increasingly rude, violent and arrogant society in this country. It starts at a very early age - when kids these days are allowed to run around doing whatever they want and screaming their bratty little heads off as if they're dying or something (they're just playing). One time we drove down the driveway to the main street. A kid in the road wouldn't get out of the way, and when he finally moved, this rugrat ran down the road behind us waving his middle finger. He's going to run into a real turd behind the wheel who will run him over or shoot him, or something. He was lucky he got to wave his middle finger at us decent folks instead of someone more like... him.
I just know a lot of this is thanks to rampant propaganda media. Money this, violence that, Rush beat me with a whiffle ball bat.
| Inventor wrote: | I don't own a television. I gave them all away and never looked back. Fox News, Reality TV, commercials... it seems to be so destructive to society. In particular, I have noticed that during the past 15 years, young people 25 or below have become meaner and nastier every year. Not everyone and maybe not you in particular, but as a general social trend my observation is valid.
Reality TV teaches them to victimize others for their own reward and to reward the victimizers. Commercials increasingly assault the mind with psychologically programmed messages designed to capture the attention of an audience over-saturated with violence and abuse. And CSI and other shows of its kind have warped the minds of people to the point that they don't seem to even understand that violence is wrong anymore.
It's sick, it's twisted, and it's evil. I'll never watch TV again!
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I gotta agree with you on this one, audiodef. Kids these days can be quite the little buggers with the horrible onslaught of attention-grabbing information that warps their minds. On the positive side, among young kids the 1960's values of love and peace are back in vogue, so maybe there is a backlash of good following all the evil.
That plus this horrible economy. Tough times have a way of uniting people and making the fabric of society stronger. So let's have hope.
Today I watched a little bit of football news on my brother's TV and it was kind of fun. I can't watch football games because of all the evil commercials stabbing at my mind, though this NFL news show was OK. We'll see if I watch any more of it during the season...
Les
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| elektro80 wrote: | | thundarr wrote: |
Not at all, National socialism and paganism have close ties. |
Quite, at least if we say that paganism in this context is the general western world new age occultism soup that evolved from the previous century and btw is still quite active these days as well. And I´m sure that is what thundarr suggests. |
Exactly... From things like the Thule society of the pre-war national socialists to the modern association of far-right groups with old norse beliefs, these connections exist.
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| thundarr wrote: | | ...the modern association of far-right groups with old norse beliefs,... |
Aaaargh - I hate that... Of course they don't believe in it either, they just want to rip off the symbolism and shroud themselves in pseudo mystery - raping history
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| Uncle Krunkus wrote: | I agree,
I work as a projectionist at the local cinema, and you should see some of the violent shit which it's fine for 10 and 12 year olds to watch. But for some reason, the censors feel it's inappropriate for them to view a naked breast! |
That's the puritan roots of the USA for you. Yay, sexual repression, leading to the need to channel all that pent-up sexual energy into... violence and aggression.
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The hell with Faux Noise. Spend some time on the quality political website
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss
for quality political news.
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| audiodef wrote: | | That's the puritan roots of the USA for you. Yay, sexual repression, leading to the need to channel all that pent-up sexual energy into... violence and aggression. |
Freud thought that repressed sexual energy was as likely to be expressed constructively, e.g. the arts. Any research to show which, if either, is correct?
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Would you prefer a news media that walks in perfect step with the White House or one that criticizes?
Which is is more dangerous?
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| RF wrote: | Would you prefer a news media that walks in perfect step with the White House or one that criticizes?
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Definitely one that makes intelligent relevant criticism. But Fox is not that, it's simply a profitable masturbatory sound board for the brain dead right.
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| RF wrote: | Would you prefer a news media that walks in perfect step with the White House or one that criticizes?
Which is is more dangerous? |
I would prefer any "news media", over a "National Inquirer" style editorial-but-we'll-call-ourselves-news gossip-channel any day. Instep, or not, I just want it to be truthful, factual, and honest. With real-life journalists, who actually do leg work to dig up real evidence. |
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| bachus wrote: | | ... it's simply a profitable masturbatory sound board for the brain dead right. |
I have nothing against mastrubation, of course, but this is an excellent description of Fox News.
So far, not a single minute of regret for not watching it. I much prefer the TV shopping channels. 
Really.
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| mosc wrote: | | So far, not a single minute of regret for not watching it. I much prefer the TV shopping channels. |
We dropped satellite TV a couple of months ago after having it for < 6 months. Only thing I miss is PBS. May get a TV tuner and try putting up an antenna next summer.
| mosc wrote: | | I have nothing against mastrubation, |
OK, but what do you have against sounding boards?
As to masturbation I think self stimulation should be kept in the bedroom and out of the news room.
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| RF wrote: |
Which is is more dangerous? |
Dangerous for who and under what circumstances? With Cheny-In-Charge (cuz let's face it, Bush is just a rancher dude who shouldn't have been in politics), it'd be dangerous for the station to criticise. Under Obama, criticism should be fine. Under all circumstances, though, a news station that's merely a political puppet is dangerous to a free society.
And yes, sex, individually or otherwise, does not belong on news channels. I mean, we all know how to do it, right?
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