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DiscoFreq
Joined: Jul 20, 2006 Posts: 6 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:56 am Post subject:
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Hi,
I thought that information was on the site, but it seems it isn't, so I'll have to search
I tried to trigger my drum synths with the CV outputs of my 80's Vermona DRM Drum Machine (not the DRM-1 Drum Synthesizer they make now). It has a 30-pin cable for separate audio outs for almost every sound and triggers for all sounds plus some extra triggers (16th notes and some triggers you can program on the Vermona). I can trigger all drum synths with the audio outputs, but only the Amdeks (and the Coron/Boss/Washburn Handclap modules) can be triggered with the triggers.
I will compare my trigger inputs with those of Marc Bareille. I discovered years ago that I could add such an input by connecting a jack on the wire between the Piezo cell and the Sens pot, but I see more components on the clones, so if you have no problems I should try to do something like that. |
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DiscoFreq
Joined: Jul 20, 2006 Posts: 6 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:57 am Post subject:
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zipzap wrote: | Cool site! never been there before. lots of stuff to check out and a nice collection of schematics (Böhm Trickverzerrer! i like that stuff) |
Thanks for the comments Zipzap
I have such a Trickverzerrer, it took me several months to find out what it was and with the schematics from Vermona.de I noticed it was not broken, but the Boss-type adaptor input (added by the previous owner) was wired inverse  |
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DiscoFreq
Joined: Jul 20, 2006 Posts: 6 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:20 am Post subject:
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I have no drawing of it by Marc Bareille (I suppose I made one myself, but I can't find it), but this is how he explained the CV mod to me:
Marc Bareille wrote: | To add a CV input to the DS7 ( vintage or clone...) is very simple.
You just need to add one resistor ( 33k to 100k) and one jack to the device.
One leg of the resistor is soldered to the Jack tip (hot point) , and the other leg of the resistor must be connected to the nodal point of R2,R9,R12,R13,U3 (refer to the DS7clone schematic on my website...) |
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DiscoFreq
Joined: Jul 20, 2006 Posts: 6 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:24 am Post subject:
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Oh and for the Amdek PCK-100 (quite similar but with both sweep "up" AND "down" and multiple wave types for VCO and LFO) there's a lot of info (schematics, pcb, mods,...) on my site:
http://filters.muziq.be/model/amdek/pck100
It's the same as the Boss PC-2, this was a DIY kit version of it. |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Joined: Jul 11, 2005 Posts: 4761 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:25 am Post subject:
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The DiscoFreq is here!
The DiscoFreq is here!
Our forum has the coolest dudes!
The DiscoFreq is here!  _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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DiscoFreq
Joined: Jul 20, 2006 Posts: 6 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:21 am Post subject:
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Uncle Krunkus wrote: | The DiscoFreq is here!
The DiscoFreq is here!
Our forum has the coolest dudes!
The DiscoFreq is here!  |
OMG, I have fans!  |
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Scott Stites
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:24 am Post subject:
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Welcome indeed! Many a time I have cruised over to Disco Freq's site - lotsa good info!
Cheers,
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dnny

Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject:
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Uncle Krunkus wrote: |
Our forum has the coolest dudes!
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thats true!
maybe Thomas Henry will join someday  _________________ Association of experimental electronics
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dnny

Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject:
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DiscoFreq wrote: | I have no drawing of it by Marc Bareille (I suppose I made one myself, but I can't find it), but this is how he explained the CV mod to me:
Marc Bareille wrote: | To add a CV input to the DS7 ( vintage or clone...) is very simple.
You just need to add one resistor ( 33k to 100k) and one jack to the device.
One leg of the resistor is soldered to the Jack tip (hot point) , and the other leg of the resistor must be connected to the nodal point of R2,R9,R12,R13,U3 (refer to the DS7clone schematic on my website...) |
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that's the spot right here:
but it shoud not trigger the envelope? diode D2 shoud prevent it right?
remember to use 0-5V CV because the whole unit runs on 5V... well that's what i think...
the whole schematic can be found here _________________ Association of experimental electronics
www.koelse.org
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Pehr

Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 1307 Location: Björkvik, Sweden
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goodrevdoc

Joined: Sep 11, 2006 Posts: 288 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | Is it really neccesary with log pots on the DS7? |
I was wondering about this myself. Have not ordered pots as of yet, but i plan to build 4 in one box and have at least two with pink/white noise sources. From pouring endlessly over the schem, it doesn't seem so, save maybe for the output. Especially considering this is a drum synth, pitch and dialing in of sounds only has to be so accurate(at least for me anyway). I was also wondering if i could get away with just adding the output of a noise source directly to pin 3. Don't know if that counts as a VCA, but im hoping it will work, so as to keep my parts count down.
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Pehr

Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 1307 Location: Björkvik, Sweden
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dnny

Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:35 am Post subject:
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Pehr wrote: | Is it really neccesary with log pots on the DS7?  |
no i don´t think so - well mine works nicely whit linear ones. _________________ Association of experimental electronics
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nisios

Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 49 Location: Lisboa - Portugal
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:04 am Post subject:
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I see a lot of people complaining about the ca3080.
I have a local shop here who has lots of these chips still. If its relly that important i can buy and send some. _________________ Why is the dove a symbol of peace?
The pillow has a lot more feathers without that dangerous beak. |
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goodrevdoc

Joined: Sep 11, 2006 Posts: 288 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | I see a lot of people complaining about the ca3080.
I have a local shop here who has lots of these chips still. If its relly that important i can buy and send some. |
How much/ how many nisois? CA3080's can still be had from places like eBay and futurlec, but if there be a deal I would certainly be interested. |
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nisios

Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 49 Location: Lisboa - Portugal
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject:
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i need to go there and check that out.......last time i bought 8.....they had more....ill have to ask.....i think it was under 1 euro each.....not shure. I will pay them a visit this week and then i can tell you. _________________ Why is the dove a symbol of peace?
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goodrevdoc

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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for the tip, dnny. I had my suspicions as to the workability of log vs. lin. Now i will order lin pots and be done with it.
-justin |
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TheLegace
Joined: Oct 04, 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Brampton, ON
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject:
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I am so confused. Hey guyz I am newb DIYer.
I just dont understand what exactly the DS7 does, I have been looking on google and no info.
I know DS7 is a drum Synth, now it can be triggered to be connected to a Pezzio, do you have to sample a sound? How would you end up making one, for a complete drumset. With toms and everything.
Making multiple Dual DS7s and then having them connect through one output?
Any help is quite appreciated. |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Joined: Jul 11, 2005 Posts: 4761 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject:
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It doesn't use samples, it's an analogue drum synth. That means it generates a tone and mixes that with noise and then it decays away like a drum would. It's a very electronic kind of drum sound.
Each DS7 is 1 drum, so for a full kit you would need multiple DS7s and a method to mix them together into 1 or 2 outputs. _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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TheLegace
Joined: Oct 04, 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Brampton, ON
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:17 am Post subject:
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Uncle Krunkus wrote: | It doesn't use samples, it's an analogue drum synth. That means it generates a tone and mixes that with noise and then it decays away like a drum would. It's a very electronic kind of drum sound.
Each DS7 is 1 drum, so for a full kit you would need multiple DS7s and a method to mix them together into 1 or 2 outputs. |
Ya I kinda figured that out now. Thank you, so you were saying it will make a very electric sound, can it make any acoustic type sounds, is there a way to preset it in a way to do it? |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:20 am Post subject:
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Negative. _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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EraSer

Joined: Apr 12, 2006 Posts: 82 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:22 am Post subject:
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I would build DS7.I love how it sounds!But I have some question before building it
-capacitors are all electrolitics?
-Can you tell me the exact value of each capacitor?I don't find an exact correspondence between part list & schematic.For example:In the part list C1 is 10 uF and in the schematic C1 is 3u3?which is correct?
-I have CA324 & a HA17324 instead of LM324.Can I use them together?Or can I have problems with HA17324? |
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dnny

Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:55 am Post subject:
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balance wrote: |
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not all C1,C2,C3,C6&C7 are.
Capacitors
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1 C1 10uF/16V
2 C2,C3 3u3/16V
1 C4 47n
1 C5 1n
1 C6 0.1uF/16V
1 C7 1uF/16V
the part list is correct.
balance wrote: |
-I have CA324 & a HA17324 instead of LM324.Can I use them together?Or can I have problems with HA17324? |
i would try the CA324 and if it´s not working... try to get a LM324 they are not so hard to find. _________________ Association of experimental electronics
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v-un-v
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Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 8933 Location: Birmingham, England, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:17 am Post subject:
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Right! This deserves to be a sticky too!!
Love the avatar Uncle K. Dunno what's more frightening, you or the teminator  _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN. |
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v-un-v
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Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 8933 Location: Birmingham, England, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:
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Oh dear- because of the alphabetical ordering, the DS7 has taken the place of King Klee. We cannot allow this!!!  _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN. |
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