g2 software

saturnineproductions · Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 11 Location: san antonio

i'm sure this question has been asked a thousand times before, but if you'll just indulge me, i'd greatly appreciate it.

i understand the nm1 editor allows for connecting and controlling several modulars of differing flavors.

is the g2 editor the same? do any of you happen to have a g2 AND an nm1 and have only used the nm1 with the editor?

thanks.

btw. guess i should mention i'm using a mac running osx.

saturnineproductions · Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 11 Location: san antonio

nine views and no one knows?

Wan · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:

I am not sure if i grasp the question completely, but i'll try to answer.

The nm1 editor can addres 1 to 4 G1 type modulars (micromodular, rack or keyboard version). The G2 editor can address 1 to 4 G2 type modulars (Engine, G2 or G2X versions).
Neither editor can service a modular that isn't its type, so the G1 editor can't edit a G2 type modular and vice versa.

Hope this answers the question.

saturnineproductions · Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 11 Location: san antonio

that is... rather... that ISN'T the answer i was hoping for... but the answer i expected. and yes, you understood what i meant.

i didn't know that both editors were proprietary. g2=g2, but not nm1.

i suppose that's info i'll need to store for later.

i'm just trying to figure a way around the osx editor and all it's problems.

thanks though.

saturnineproductions · Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 11 Location: san antonio

elektro80 · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject:

saturnineproductions · Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 11 Location: san antonio

you would think they'd have enough foresight to realize that while they were spending the money they earned selling nm1s to develop the g2 software.

Gothboy · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject:

Well you could do what I do: run the NM1 editor on a separate computer that runs OS9...while your main computer runs OS10. The NM1 has 2 sets of midi ins/outs....very useful! Very Happy

elektro80 · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject:

dasz · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject:

DrJustice · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject:

dasz · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject:

I know the NM1 support is offically cut off. I was thinking it was one of those to-do things they will probably never get to. Crying or Very sad

I know what it means to not have product development end. I am waiting for a Waldorf XT.

I would not make the comment that the G2 editor will also be obsolete. I firmly believe there is more on the way.
/Dasz

jamos · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:

saturnineproductions · Joined: Apr 29, 2006 Posts: 11 Location: san antonio

i sent off a letter to clavia re: nm1 editor

----- Original Message -----
From: <saturnineproductions>
To: <support>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Webform Support From chris cain

> Submitted from: XXXXXXXX>
> User: chris cain (saturnineproductions@gmail.com)
> Country: united states
> Product: Nord Modular Key
> Version: 3.03
> Serial: XXXXXXXXXXX
> Computer: osx
> Problem: Computer related (for software)
> Description:

> i know this is the first question in your FAQ section. i apologize if you
> feel this is a waste of time to open this letter, and address this
> concern.
>
> you still have such a huge fan base due, in part, to your wonderful
> synth, the nord modular.
> a quick check on google pulls up many nord modular specific sites where
> people can talk all things modular. people exchange patches and genuinely
> love everything about them.
> but... as a user who talks to other users, we all feel the lack of
> support for osx is pretty lame. apple, as i'm sure you know, is taking the
> world by storm... and not simply because of the ipod.
> people are hearing more and more about the safety of macs... the ease of
> use...
> and now, more people are "making the switch". osx stands to take over the
> world and you guys are just watching it pass you by.
> i understand that clavia now has the g2/g2x. i understand about moving
> forward and all, and i applaud your company for being able to do so.
> but at what cost?
>
> i guess it seems that some people i've talked to feel somewhat alienated
> by the situation. as if the modular and the people who seem to devote
> hours and hours on it every day are left in the cold if they can't shell
> out another $1500 to $2000 to buy your latest product. we're talking about
> the people that helped fund the g2 and g2x getting off the ground in the
> first place.
> i guess what i'm trying to say is your hardware comes with a pretty hefty
> price tag. it would be nice if that were considered when you decide to no
> longer support the software.
>
> still a loyal fan though my editor crashes every fifteen minutes or so
> and i have to set the midi ports everytime i open or... as it is... REOPEN
> it,
>
> chris cain

Hello, yes i agree, it would be great if we could support everything forever but that im afraid is not really possible and the answer is still the same as the faq, it is not considered at all at this point, take care

Alexander Frodinger
Clavia technical support
support@clavia.se
www.clavia.se

ahhh the sour taste of disappointment.

mosc · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 8:29 am Post subject:

Have you written Apple a letter asking them to support their discontinued OS on their new hardware, or their new OS on their old hardware? If you did, do you think they would bother replying to your email?

Why don't you buy a new Intel Mac and run XP? The NM editor works just fine on that.

wyleu · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Mac and all.

Also when you write to Apple could you put in a word for the PC audio logic guys...?

ian-s · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject:

The ipod is selling well at the moment but has the MAC gained any significant market share? I know it does well in Japan, almost 20% market share. Due to a head start in Japanize language support (ancient history now). Worldwide market share though is 2.3%, significantly down on last year.
I imagine that the market share among electronic musicians, designers and advertising people is much higher, anyone know the figures?

mosc · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

DrJustice · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject:

Anyways, I like the products.

ian-s · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject:

The NM classic editor still runs fine on XP and will probably continue to do so for years. Calling a product dead because it is no longer supported on some fringe hardware is a bit of a stretch.

DrJustice · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject:

When I run the NM editor under XP (with and without compatibility mode on) the sessions has generally ended by the MIDI communication being dropped. It also forgets the MIDI settings. This has been happening on two different computers: Abit/Asus/AMD/M-Audio gear, none of which is fringe hardware. So "runs fine on XP" is conditional then. Also, why no proper Mac support? Well, enough about that.

The big point is: for the NM, Clavia made the decision to offload a major part of the product functionality to an external general system that customers are likely to use. I.e. we're talking about their standard daily/studio/whatever PC - that is (was?) clearly the idea. In doing so they put themselves in a position of responsibility for maintaining that situation for a reasonable amount of time and evolution of standard PCs. By maintaining that situation, I mean that the editor ought to be kept running flawlessly on Mac OS9 to Mac OSX and Windows 98 to Windows XP, and soon Vista and whatever Apple comes up with next.

Some updated functionality and cosmetics would be nice to. If they had chosen to unify the G1 and G2 editors the G1 could have gotten not just a current editor , but the 'patch breeder' thing as well. This would be the smart thing to do especially if there is going to be a G3. For the customers, that is... (ref. the point about product differentiation in my previous posting)

When Clavia now shows zero interest in this issue, I'm worried about what that means in terms of long time NM ownership and usage, and I'm curious about their policies and philosophies towards products and customers. Remember that we're not talking a $20 webcam or something, we're talking a $2000+ musical instrument, and I do believe that musicians want a fairly long term relationship with an instrument.

The fact that some hardened enthusiasts keep extra/vintage systems running on the side, or even purchase new/used dedicated system for this purpose does not free Clavia from their responsibility. I do not like to see product support abandoned in this way for no good reason, as a general principle in courtesy, customer care, long term value etc.. Please note the generality of principle - this applies equally to other companies and products of a similar nature (Receptor and Kyma/Capybara spring to mind).

I bet you're tired of this argument, just as I'm tired of unconditional defence of Clavias right to ignore the issue Very Happy

For the sake of peace, I'll add that I think the products are fine and it's jolly good that most people manage so far. It's just that I think Clavia could have chosen a better way of handling this.

All IMNSHO, of course.

DJ
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ian-s · Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject:

My apologies Dr J
I was unaware that there were problems with XP in compatability mode. I honestly have never seen a complaint about it before now.

Sorry also to everyone for referring to the mac as fringe hardware.