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Rob

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:36 am Post subject:

cebec wrote:

Hi Rob! Glad to see you back, too...

If you don't mind, could we see some examples of these effects that you've been using your Engines for? Or at least, basic templates or examples of these effects? What you said really sparked my curiosity! Do you have an example of a patch that allows effecting of specific frequency bands?

Look at http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/G2Pages/index.htm and scan through the index until you find crossover filters. Read on from there. Should give you the idea.

peter

Joined: Jan 30, 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

Afrokid wrote:

I have designed a patch for the BCR so that every knob and button (all 108 of them when using the encoder groups!) is assigned to usable G2 midi CC's.

The first row of buttons is programmed to change variations, the second row is split into two - four that send out cc's from 0 to 127 in 5 increments for waveform selection and the other four as normal on/off switches. The top row of encoders' switches (8 for each encoder group too) are assigned as normal on/off types too. All the knobs are assigned as normal from 0 to 127.

First of all a big Hello to all G2 Users here.
I´m a new member and i´m using the G2-Engine together with a BCR-2000.

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Thank you afrokid for the BCR2000 Template !
It works very well except the last button in the first row.
(this button should activate Variation 8 )

If i push this button, nothing happens.

The other thing is, that if i push one button from 1 - 7, the Variation is selected correctly but the LEDs of the other buttons in this row are flashing. This is looking a bit weird.

Anyone else noticed this problem ?

Thank you !

peter

Afro88

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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

peter wrote:

Hello!

Yes, I noticed this after a bit of patching a few days later Embarassed

I should really have uploaded a fixed template. I will get it here ASAP!

Regarding the LEDs, I have no idea how or why this happens. It's very strange and I'm not sure how to fix it.... I think the G2 sends out some midi information on cc70 when you change variations (maybe it mirrors what you've pressed?) and the leds get all confused. I'm not to sure how to solve this problem...

Afro88

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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject:

8th variation now fixed. The file is in the initial post. I'm still not sure how to get the LED's behaving correctly... anyone got any ideas?

diskonext

Joined: Aug 26, 2004
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Location: London, UK

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:20 am Post subject:

If it is a feedback problem (checked with MIDI-OX yet? if you're on PC, that is) you might be able to adjust the dead-time. I think they added adjustable dead-time in OS 1.08? -diskonext _________________ :wq

Fozzie

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject:

yeah, just bought mine today. Too late to try out tonight, but I'll be turning the knobs soon too

zynthetix

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject:

just got mine in the mail this afternoon this is quite a flexible peice of equipment...more than I imagined actually. it is a good a middle-man to have between my G2 and computer that actually works. it provides excellent control and accessibility for the g2 itself. now if only i remembered to get extra short MIDI cables when I ordered it....

cappy2112

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

Afro88 wrote:

Well, I took the plunge and bought a BCR2000 to go with my engine. What can I say? This piece of gear has breathed new life into my G2. Nothing quite compares to having a bank of knobs in front of you to tweak your patches! I now know how the G2 key users feel, being able to tweak tens of parameters from their synth without having to look at a computer screen. It really is a completely new experience designing a patch, then turning off your computer screen and spending a good hour or so tweaking and programing variations with your hands on real knobs. It's like I'm creating completely new synths with each G2 patch, and then learning how to program them, which is what I originally wanted from my G2. Instead of the counter intuitiveness of programming variations using a mouse, playing the keyboard, going back to the mouse, playing the keyboard, it feels like I'm programming a real physical synth. I highly reccomend the BCR2000 to anyone with an engine - these two pieces of gear are really made for each other!

I have designed a patch for the BCR so that every knob and button (all 108 of them when using the encoder groups!) is assigned to usable G2 midi CC's.

The first row of buttons is programmed to change variations, the second row is split into two - four that send out cc's from 0 to 127 in 5 increments for waveform selection and the other four as normal on/off switches. The top row of encoders' switches (8 for each encoder group too) are assigned as normal on/off types too. All the knobs are assigned as normal from 0 to 127.

Have you tried sending a sysex patch TO the BCR?

cappy2112

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject:

Afro88 wrote:

8th variation now fixed. The file is in the initial post.

I'm still not sure how to get the LED's behaving correctly... anyone got any ideas?

Yeah- the manual for the BCR really sucks.

I had to figure out the LEDS myself to- there is only a brief mention on how they work, but I dont think it's in the manual. It's only listed on the Quick-ref sheet, as a caption (and a very terse one) below one of the grids.

Only the 8 push encoders have ths feature to modify the way the leds work.
I'm at work now- so I dont have the BCR or manual here.
There is an option to set the leds to 1d, 1d-, 2d, 2d, span, cutoff, cut, spread, and a few other display types.

This cause the pattern of the LEDS to change, when you rotate a push encoder.

The patterns with a - in them, (1d-, 2d-) will only turn the leds on when the value is greater than Zero. Not a bad idea-for a volume controller.
The other patterns are not so usefull- IMHO.

Too bad Behringer didn't make all the rotaries push encoders!
Another usefull feature would have been to assign the 16 buttons in the 4 encoder groups, instead of just assigning the 8 push encoders.

Afro88

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

cappy2112 wrote:

Have you tried sending a sysex patch TO the BCR?

I haven't been game Wink

But yeah, cause it's got a usb connection, I've never needed to. What happens?

Regarding the other stuff, unfortunately the buttons don't have any alternate led modes when running in toggle mode. I've got "display value" turned off, but for some reason pressing one of the buttons highlights the ones around it. It's really weird. I've disconnected all the midi and usb connections and it still does it, so it can't be a midi feeback problem. Maybe I should email behringer? It's probably a bug.

cappy2112

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

Afro88 wrote:

cappy2112 wrote:

Have you tried sending a sysex patch TO the BCR?

I haven't been game Wink

But yeah, cause it's got a usb connection, I've never needed to. What happens?
.

Dunno-Im still at work Smile

Well, you posted a sysex file, I assume you woudl expect for someone to use it, right? So they would need a sysex program (Like Midiox, on Windows) to shoot it down the wire. Right ?
Or, are you implying, you can do this with the wierd BCR editor???
I haven't used it myself. I'v eheard it was a pain.

Afro88 wrote:

Regarding the other stuff, unfortunately the buttons don't have any alternate led modes when running in toggle mode. I've got "display value" turned off, but for some reason pressing one of the buttons highlights the ones around it. It's really weird. I've disconnected all the midi and usb connections and it still does it, so it can't be a midi feeback problem. Maybe I should email behringer? It's probably a bug

Which FW version are you using? They just came out with 1.10 last week or so. It fixes some sort of inc/dec problem- according to the web page.

Go get the latest bugs man!!! Don't be caught with last months bugs, it's embarrasing Smile

You can send suggestions/requests from the Behringer website. I've already sent several myself.

If we get enough requests for some of these features we've been talking about, who knows, maybe they will respond.

While you're at it, ask them for a global midi channel for every control in the current preset, where the channel # can be overriden by a setting on the individual control.

I'd also like to be able to copy a control to another control, or one whole row to anther row, then just update 1 param in each control on the dest row, manually.

cappy2112

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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject:

seraph wrote:

egw wrote:

Can the BCR2000 send sysex commands?

afaik no, it can't Crying or Very sad

\\Yes- but you are limited to 60 bytes, according to Behringer.

I don't know if that's 60 bytes per button, or 60 bytes for all the buttons combined.
Their manual is extremely terse and confusing.

Afro88

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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

cappy2112 wrote:

Afro88 wrote:

cappy2112 wrote:

Have you tried sending a sysex patch TO the BCR?

I haven't been game Wink

But yeah, cause it's got a usb connection, I've never needed to. What happens?
.

Dunno-Im still at work Smile

Yeah, the editor reads .syx files. You open it up and transfer it over using the editor.

I might try updating my bcr tonight - I don't usually have it hooked up to the computer so I haven't been bothered. If it fixes these leds then that would be cool.

Currently it's setup with the top row of buttons all set to send out on cc70 multiples of 16. So the first sends 1, the next 17, the next 25 and so on. Each button is set to toggle off and visual display off. So technically when you press the button, the led should turn on while you have it pressed and turn off when you release it. This works fine, but for some reason the leds on the buttons around it turn on as well, and stay on after you've released the button. It's really weird. Hopefully this update will fix it up.

Fozzie

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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

Afro88 wrote:

Currently it's setup with the top row of buttons all set to send out on cc70 multiples of 16. So the first sends 1, the next 17, the next 25 and so on.

Auzzies have their own way of doing math Mr. Green

cappy2112

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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Behringer BCR2000 and a G2 engine

Afro88 wrote:

Yeah, the editor reads .syx files. You open it up and transfer it over using the editor.

I haven't used the editor, but might take a look now.
I've got the buttons setup so if I press one of them to change vars, the LED stays on, and if I click on a var in the G2 editor, the corresponding LED on the BCR will light. This way I'll always know which var is in use.

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