Will there be a new os soon?

3phase · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:43 am Post subject:

one thing regarding the musical quality of a fixed filter bank...
The one that was implemented in the NM1 sounded really crap in my opinion... it was a rarely used module by that reason i guess.
Probably clavia dropped it beecause a good sounding one would have been a 40% module...

If such a thing like a fixed filter bank comes it should do way more than just filtering on specific frequencies... The moog filterbank isnt academic at all..
i only once had the ability to try it and it was on any band an exiting boost for the musikcal signal...
something that wont happen on a simple digtal filter.
If you look for goodsounding digital Eq´s you anway have problems finding one...
However i would like to see an expensiv filter bank module... can have an own dsp when its giving true exitement... like the vocoder on the NM1..
super expensiv module there..but often used never the less.

A filter bank in the g2 should be a sonic enhancer not an academic module.
maybe thats the problem clavia has with it...they tend to like it academic..but they maybe oversee that something like max msp is as academic it can get..The advantage of the nords is that they have a more realworld feeling to them..a non academic feeling..
wouldnt weaken the concept if there would be one module that grabs a few analog modeling tricks...
The did it in theire stage piano...so they have the knowledge to do it.

3phase · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:51 am Post subject:

But...

is there a schematics of the moog filterbank availible elswhere on the net?
maybe a little rebuild version szised as a micromodular to sit on the right corner of a G2 ?

intoxicat · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:28 am Post subject:

[quote="mosc"]

mosc · Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject:

ok...thanks...

explains on the first look why this thing sounds good..

a coil eq with class a circuit... thats alone enough to sound good on a eq..
But we have that on the famous vermona filter bank aswell
(the one you can get for 20 euros from time to time because nobody knows..ups...
shit..i probably just destroid the price Wink

But... the moog one is sounding better than the vermona...(which is allready very good)...

Thats for sure the special moog selection but also some tricks he developed that look rather for sound quality than scientivic correctness..

I for example heard the rumour that moog artificial noisend up the power supply to make the synth in general sound thicker... ???

Can anybody back that rumour up?

I see in the chematics a +12/-6 V supply that is rather unusual...

Why he done it that way and not the usual +15/-15 or alike supplys?

The vermona fixed filterbank (stereo) is powerd with just +12 V...
dont make it to a pro mastering equalizer but a wonderfull shaper and distorter for synthsounds...
A friend from me from Air Liquide claims that a 303 without a Vermona distortion is no 303 Wink

However..has Moogs choice to power things this halfsymetrical way something to do with distortion propertys?

monobass · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:55 am Post subject:

[quote="intoxicat"]

dorremifasol · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:02 am Post subject:

Aren't custom waveforms already available by using chained sequencers? I guess you are talking about BIG custom waveforms?

monobass · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:20 am Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:09 am Post subject:

cappy2112 · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject:

windchill · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:36 am Post subject:

I cracked ... and emailed Clavia to ask them if a new version of the os, including bug-fixes, is underway ... and when it might be available.

They replied really quickly:

"Our development department has not yet issued a release date on the next update. There is one planned though, but as to when it is not possible to say."

Mmmmmm ........

monobass · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:20 am Post subject:

Exactly what they kept saying when we were waiting for the update on the original nord mod... not that it means they WON'T update.

I really like the patch mutator, I was very glad to have it.. but you can't get away from the fact that the overall reception was lukewarm.

Fozzie · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:57 am Post subject:

cappy2112 · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:41 am Post subject:

[quote="Fozzie"]

windchill · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:27 am Post subject:

I wish I could share the enthusiasm. It's pretty much a year and a half since the last update (and that was mainly the mutator) - and the next update is merely a plan - not an ongoing project - merely a plan!
After this length of time I would have expected a reply more like "our development team have been working on the new upgrade for some months now ... a very provisional release date is ........"

dorremifasol · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:38 am Post subject:

I think that the plan they are referring to is the date, the planned date, not the update.

I bet that they have done at least some changes, they need to keep all of their few products alive, unless they release a sucessor which is unlikely for the G2 yet.

Remember that they have now only 5 product lines, and one of then is a re-release (nl2x).

Of course I'm only guessing...

Fozzie · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:58 am Post subject:

cappy2112 · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:23 am Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:32 am Post subject:

windchill · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:35 am Post subject:

if it would make a difference they could charge me $50 for the update. I pay for Reaktor updates - and think that's fair enough. I would rather have a reliable, regular update at a small cost than nothing.

It's not right to say that Clavia will not get revenue from upgrades to the G2 OS. Failing to upgrade may have a negative impact because some users may choose not to buy a G2 - if they see that the feature set is lacking, or buggy. This would have a negative impact on revenue. In fact this whole thread was begun by someone who was unsure if they should buy a G2 or not.

dorremifasol · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:49 am Post subject:

I still think that an OS update announced at NAMM will make a "hey I'm here and now I'm better!" effect on the market for the G2. A good update may have a sort of re-launch effect which is always desirable for any company.

Wasn't the patch mutator released with the last winter NAMM?

(seems that my english is improving, I pass the SpellCheck test!) Very Happy

monobass · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject:

I'd happily pay for updates and continued support.
We all know this is never going to be a mass-market product..

I think the problem is that it would also put people off buying it in the first place... so we're left in the situation where Clavia basically will remain willfully mysterious about their intentions. It's pure politics and very frustrating.

intoxicat · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:

problem with paying for updates would be to restrict the users sharing the updated freely. protected sofware is just a pain the arse... might not even be possible on the g2 anyway