OS Update

cebec · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:47 am Post subject:

And, in addition to suggesting there would be a future update, they told me earlier this year that a UB version of the editor for Mac would be released eventually, as well. Currently, the editor hogs CPU like you wouldn't believe even on a very fast dual core machine.

iPassenger · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:38 am Post subject:

I am really dissappointed with this news... and the lack of support for vista owners is not on. I don't think keeping a whole other pc around just for editing yr synth is really a good alternative.

Kassen · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:32 am Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:36 am Post subject:

I'd like to clarify that -like Tim- I'm mad at Clavia on ethical grounds and that I merely disagree with Cappy on this point. Cappy is a nice guy.

(can't hurt to have extra clarity when the emotions start flying)

Tim Kleinert · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:58 am Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:06 am Post subject:

It's consoling to see how our debates on this topic -at the very least- have received their upgrades!

:¬)

cappy2112 · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:13 am Post subject:

cappy2112 · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:24 am Post subject:

dasz · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject:

whoa

! ... sigh ... Confused

....

too bad there are soo few highly specialized audio hw dsp software developers in the world. The Blofeld synth software was created by 2 developers - Stefan Stenzel and Wolfram Franke, one harwdare guy - Frank Schneider, and one designer - Axel Hartmann - as seen in their Manual (http://www.waldorfmusic.de/assets/files/products/blofeld/docs/blofeld_manual.pdf)

These few guys are kept busy and have little free time. Imagine spitting out one or more h/w keyboard every year for a few years ...

I'm ok with the h/w OS as it is though ... maybe some bug fixes would be great .. but I gave up hope of new modules some time ago ... but vista support for the usb driver is a must. maybe we need to sign a petition here or something ... maybe someone who lives close to clavia and knows them well, should visit them and meet to discuss it.

but I am happy I bought my Midi Solutions Event Processor - My G2's can now send sysex out, pitchbend out, and trigger a slew of events, or a sequence of them, or select rs7000 patterns ... nice ... the rs7000 sequencers gives me pattern memory, the waldorf xt gives me warmth (and is patchable within the g2 environment via a 1/4" send return loop) and the g2's which excel at my few 100's of grooves andmy drum kits and bass synths ...

Tomorrow will be another day.
/Dasz

Fozzie · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject:

I emailed Clavia yesterday and got a reply that boils down to this:

indeed, the previous plans about doing an update have changed (it is not planned anymore). No universal binary is to be expected since there is a workaround. With regard to vista drivers: there is a slight possibility; the Clavia guy would inform internally whether that could be done.

I'm dissapointed about the bugs that will remain, although I can live with it since I enjoy the G2 very much as it is. However, I will be less amused when Clavia doesn't provide any Vista drivers ever, since it will make pc life harder in the future, and I think it's just wrong to sell an expensive synth that doesn't work with the current OS. More emails to Clavia?

mosc · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject:

OMG. This is pretty appalling. I'm going to refrain from ranting until I cool off. I might say something I would regret later on. Crying or Very sad

v-un-v · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:

Guys, I know this is a pretty poor state of affairs, after all Clavia dropped us G1 users in the shit as well (The OS X beta editor isn't bad, but it ain't great either).......but then they announced the G2. Perhaps Clavia have realised that leaving out the sampling module was a bad move and all will improve including the forum wishes, once the impending G3 is released? Shocked

Well- that exactly what happened last time didn't it?

It also makes sense too.

grimley · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject:

But yeah- this was exactly what happened with the NM1 OS X editor- it got dropped mid development.

It makes no sense to Clavia to continue this product (G2). I'm just winding up the end part of a degree (BSc) in Industrial Design and I completely understand and sympathise with why Clavia would have done this.

I remember the anger that was happenening when we all found out that Clavia had no plans to improve the NM. Then they bought out the G2. Even those who were closest too Clavia had absolutely no clue that the G2 was going to be announced. Not even Rob or Wout.

It costs too much money to develop these OS updates. I'm sure too that Clavia would rather have you part with your money to buy the next generation of the Nord Modular line wouldn't they?

(I still haven't bought my G2 yet either Crying or Very sad

However, I've still got my little red baby though Very Happy

)

Kassen · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject:

grimley · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject:

A couple of cliches come to mind...

Once bitten, twice shy.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

In any case, whether one likes it or not, Vista is the current and future version of Windows. It's been in production nearly a year. Direct X version 10 is much improved and only runs with Vista. Its just a matter of time before Windows users switch to Vista. The game software will lead the way because Direct X 10 is great for games. At some point most software will only have new versions that run on Vista. It's a tide that can't be turned back. Similarly, for OSX the tide is Universal Binary.

Every Windows software product I have purchased (where the company still exists) has support for Vista, or has announced this intension - except Clavia. I don't know much about OSX software, but I'd bet all the responsible companies will provide support to the Intel Macs.

Keeping an old junker computer around just to run the Clavia software is fine if you aren't a gigging musician, but it prohibits using the G2 on the road. For the last 3 years I have worked hard to get my gigging kit down to just a G2X. It has worked great for me. Looks like I'm going to find a new solution. If Clavia won't devote any resources to the G2, why should I?

Another cliche, by the Rolling Stones,

Who wants yesterday's papers, nobody in the world.

dasz · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject:

it would certainly be troubling if the G2 did not eventually get vista drivers when, the C1, and Wave all do, and it is a universal clavia usb driver.
http://www.clavia.se/downloads/software/Nord%20generic%20driver%2064-bit.zip -- see the readme.)

It does look like having the generic usb driver vista supported driver should be good help to get the g2 into vista... but then so would the stage (as it's driver goes up to windows 2000/xp and not xp64 like the universal driver.

/Dasz

kcinsu · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:04 am Post subject:

does the editor work in apple leopard... on a ppc? i am still using tiger... will an update screw me?