OS Update

monokit · Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:51 am Post subject:

I'm willing to pay 100 euro for a serious update of the G2 Editor for Mac, including bug fixes, a UB release (or at least an Intel version), and some new features. Most important are bug fixes and UB release.

Wout Blommers · Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:02 am Post subject:

Don't say it to loud, otherwise Clavia will release Updates only from now on Wink

Wout

mother misty · Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject:

kcinsu · Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject:

Wout Blommers · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:53 am Post subject:

Could you post the letter also here?

Wout

kcinsu · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:27 am Post subject:

Unfortunately, it was a web-based submission, and I didn't think to make a copy Embarassed

Sorry.

It was pretty long, but basically I told them that I heard about their decision to no longer make updates for Vista or Universal Binary, and that I thought it was a huge mistake, as this is one of the greatest instruments out there, for a variety of reasons (that I listed). I went on to tell them how often I use my nords, that they are the center of my studio, and I pretty much tell everyone who inquires about gear, to buy one. That this is an instrument that should be around for decades, not years.

I made it clear that I understood that it is hard work to make updates for a somewhat niche instrument, especially for a small company, but their success over the year has been the result of a diehard user base, and if they stop supporting the user, the users will stop supporting them. I then went on to offer the suggestion of paid upgrades, so that they can still get something out of it.

I really wish I had saved it now... it was one of my better letters!

gomidas · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:17 am Post subject:

Q:Is the G2 editor 'open source'?

Because of the lack of updates they should have consider this option, It will be better that nothing...

dorremifasol · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:16 am Post subject:

Has anybody tried to use the G2 editor and USB driver with Innotek VirtualBox, inside a virtual machine with Windows? as far as I know it's totally free.

http://www.virtualbox.org/

Neon Sega · Joined: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 78 Location: ru msc

probably discontinued G2 - the worst new for New Year for me

I'm not ok with that things (new to this:), but is there an economic model, that able to motivate Clavia to develope updates for money? If i can know that morphing ranging costs 1300 euros (100 guys ready to invest in it) 130 euros from a guy
2x8 variations cost 2000 euros (500 guys want it) 4 euro from a guy
and so on

I like my G2 & will it grow for free or for real able money, just want to savvy how to make it done

sorry for my english

realtrance · Joined: Jul 18, 2004 Posts: 32

Hey guys, as someone who's seen a number of small (European, mostly) synth companies release great synths with some bugs, and then not have the resources to update them frequently, I'd have to say this is par for the course.

Anyone remember how long it took for Novation to upgrade the Supernova with just bug fixes? Much less find something to do for the "Special" button on the interface that didn't do anything?

Anyone remember how many rounds of fixes the Q had to go through before it became the stellar synth it is?

Anyone know how well Novation and Waldorf are doing lately?

It's not because of customer support attitude, I'm sure of that; both Novation and Waldorf tried as hard as they could, to support what is actually a _very_ tiny community, with very limited resources. These are not giant corporations with populations in the thousands, they are companies made up of about four to six people, at most. Companies? More like small groups of craftspeople engaging in a labor of love.

People who start up small companies like this do so for a reason; they mostly don't like being pushed around, the way they would be at a regular, larger business. They like to do their own thing, at their own pace.

I identify. Smile

I'm happy Clavia's made the G2, and wish I'd been able to afford the G2X when it came out; I'm happy Novation went to the Supernova II, and wish I'd been able to afford one of those when they came out. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. I buy a synth at the state it's in, after reviewing what's said about it, playing it, and basically accept what I've gotten, unless the thing is fundamentally broken in some way. That's enough for me. Heck, even Roland, with the MV-8800, hasn't exactly released scads and scads of updates, maybe one or two. Have they or Korg ever done much more than that? And they _are_ large companies with hundreds if not thousands of employees (and yet I bet their R&D divisions are still quite small).

Merry Christmas, Clavia! Go forth, and prosper.

As for the USB driver, by the time Vista is pervasive I'll be able to get a desktop or laptop running my license of XP for about $300 if I need to, to maintain backwards capability. No big deal. Think of getting an older, cheap PC as an accessory in support of your NM1 or G2, kind of like an fx pedal for your old guitar. Smile

Enough said!

Merry Christmas, Modular users. Be happy you have SO many modules in this compact little digital synth, that costs a fraction of a hardware modular, takes up less space, uses less electricity, and has more flexibility than any hardware modular you could spend thousands more to replicate it with.

Be thankful for what you have. If you want more, wait for the NM3, running under Vista and Leopard. One can always hope, and I'd pay thousands for that in a year or two if it were on the way, but also know that it'd probably be an instrument "too smart for the room" in terms of sales potential (after all, what's Roland's latest synth? the $500 SH-201?), and so a small company like Clavia might never get there, unless it were a labor of love they'd know a small, adoring audience would be eager to buy. If they were just making an NM3 for a hard-to-please, whiny crowd, if I were them..... I wouldn't bother. Keep that in mind.

NoiseLab · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject:

Just speculating, but I think... Musikmesse 2008 the announcement of Nord Modular G3!!! with nordwave technology... Rolling Eyes

realtrance · Joined: Jul 18, 2004 Posts: 32

Unlikely, but that would be truly amazing. That would be the one new synth I'd consider buying at a point where I feel like I've pretty much got everything covered for everything I do at this point. If it were done right.

cappy2112 · Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject:

seb · Joined: Aug 12, 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Berlin

Hi all,
I'm using the G2 editor with Virtualbox under Debian Linux with a Win2000 guest system. Runs without problems and needs approx. 800MB HD space.

Cheers,
Sebastian

CaptainPoopface · Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject:

Given the predicament Clavia is in as a small company, it seems like the most reasonable solution is to try and go open source. Users here will "happily" debug the OS for Clavia, free of charge, since we are the ones who use it and who most want it to be bug-free. Is this a plausible request to make?

Perhaps a few dedicated, talented programmers could offer to become unpaid "programmers" for Clavia, given access to the source after signing a non-disclosure agreement, spend the time to debug it, and then Clavia could release the updated OS without divulging their source publicly.

Users here seem to hold themselves to a high ethical standard. I think the risk is low that Clavia's source would be exploited to their financial disadvantage.

I believe there is a rainbows-and-sunshine solution to this that could minimize or eliminate Clavia's financial risk while improving the G2's longevity, performance, and customer satisfaction.

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject:

Wow, I have missed all this!

Concerning the workaround for Vista of running XP in a virtual machine, this is not going to work for long. Microsoft was going to stop all sales of XP in Jan 2008, they have now moved this to June 30 2008. After this point you will not be able to buy XP.

Using a copy of XP from a machine you have purchased in a VM is illegal as OEM versions of XP are only licensed for the machine that they were supplied on.

I have already given up using the editor under osx on intel as it fries the cpu and is pretty slugish with knobs not actually ending up where you want unless you wiggle the mouse.

So if Clavia are not going to release a vista driver or mac intel it looks to me like they are going to drop the G2 as it will not be a viable product as the editor is not going to work on new machines and without the editor whats the point of the G2?

Currently I am using an old XP LapTop with the G2 but this is a pain as it uses up space on the desk, so I have to set it up when I want to use the G2.

Maybe the best bet is for us to try to get Clavia to give us the source for the usb driver, I cannot believe it would be that hard to get it to work on Vista and OSX Intel.

Anyone got any clout with Clavia?

Cheers

Andy

BobTheDog · Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject:

Mmmm, just realised we are also going to have to get the Editor working on OSX Intel as well.

This I would think would also not be too difficult, or we can develop a new editor.

Andy

dasz · Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject:

Hi Andy,

It was cool to meet you in Belgium this summer.

Regarding Vista, the way I see it, I'll keep my xp laptop AS IS. IF I get another computer, it will NOT be my music machine, it might have Vista or the next "best ever" operating system. Unless of course we get an updated USB driver!

I am using computer programs very infrequently. The G2 editor though, gives me an overview of the patch while I navigate using dials, buttons, and edit/interact with the Editor using the G2 panel itself. This activity, which at the moment is performed 1.5hr a week or less, does not hurt my hands. I am using NaturallySpeaking for communicating in forums.

The G2 panel on G2 key or G2X is a wonderful front-end for the G2 editor. So I am willing to keep a computer around if needed. No painful mouse pointing device required (once the connections are established).

I've finally broken through, and in producing my music, ever so slowly, for therapeutic purposes. Here's a link ...

http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-22330.html

Na zdrowie (trans. -- cheers)!
/Dasz

v-un-v · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject:

realtrance · Joined: Jul 18, 2004 Posts: 32

Thank you, v-un-v -- happy new year to you! If you're by any chance part of VNV thanks for your great music, too. Smile

cappy2112 · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject:

Dah! I'd be able to tell you if I had a G2! One things for sure, the demo works really badly in VMware Fusion- but that could be that it's not really set up for audio and when I used it I only had a gig of memory in this machine- I now have 3 gigs.

Hang on a moment and I'll spark fusion up.

blue hell · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject:

cappy2112 · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject:

nope. It still sounds awful- and I mean really terrible! Shocked

However in bootcamp the G2 demo worked flawlessly. But some very strange things have happened to my bootcamp partition since I did some recent windows updates- now my computer, when in bootcamp just turns off- completely and completely at random Shocked

. It doesn't do this in VMware, only in Bootcamp. A MS conspiracy? Possibly?! Shocked