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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You're both very welcome. I admire your energy and enthusiasm for these projects. I used to do llots of building years ago. It's a great way to learn electronics and you can build instruments that a perfectly matched to your musical interests and abilities. Also, the DIY crew brings a refreshing diversity to the electro-music.com community. I wish we could get some circuit benders to use the forums here. I'd be quite happy to have a Benders' forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
I wish we could get some circuit benders to use the forums here. I'd be quite happy to have a Benders' forum.


you read my mind . . . i haven´t do lot bending but i would like to read "professionals" posts about it and then start to bend my diy-instruments...

i think i will start from MFOS: Weird Sound Generator

hope some bender´s get here soon...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
I wish we could get some circuit benders to use the forums here. I'd be quite happy to have a Benders' forum.


LOL! I'd be careful how you phrase that mosc- you could upset a lot of people! ;)

I've done quite a bit of circuit bending in the past. The problem however with circuit bending is that not all toys are alike and where one may work fine with a certain type of modification, it may fry another on a similar looking circuit.

These toys were never intended for that purpose- as you most probably know :)

One of my very close friends Brian Duffy (Modified Toy Orchestra) is a genius at circuit bending. It's a shame that he never goes near lists. It's worth looking at his site- although it mainly features recordings available. (http://www.warmcircuit.com/web/)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dnny wrote:
mosc wrote:
I wish we could get some circuit benders to use the forums here. I'd be quite happy to have a Benders' forum.


you read my mind . . . i haven´t do lot bending but i would like to read "professionals" posts about it and then start to bend my diy-instruments...

i think i will start from MFOS: Weird Sound Generator

hope some bender´s get here soon..
daniel


i heve bended a casiokeybord , its fun , put on 10 switchjes and 3 rotating pots , yuo got to have an instrument that is good for the bending
the casio whas real cheap (about 4 dollar) but the sound is oke

http://users.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~windle_c/TableHooters/Casio_MT-60.html

im no expert , but its fun to make welded music Laughing

got pictures and samples here bellow.

http://home.tiscali.nl/pianozuidholland/Mp3/CasioMt60%20CB/

303

http://beam.to/midi303

this is heavy bending

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/borg.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK, I have just created a Circuit Bending forum under Instruments and Equipment. Well see what happens. I think it's a great field.

I'm going to split this topic to make the first topic in the new forum. Thanks for your enthusiasm. Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
OK, I have just created a Circuit Bending forum under Instruments and Equipment. Well see what happens. I think it's a great field.

I'm going to split this topic to make the first topic in the new forum. Thanks for your enthusiasm. Cool



cool

i dont think a lot of people do it , but i think its fun stuff.

you got modding and bending , the difference isnt clear for me .
what is modded and what is bended ? the qoustion is also what can be modded and what can be bended.

i think the older stuff is better because for bending , some cheap casio s for sure
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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cool

i dont think a lot of people do it , but i think its fun stuff.

you got modding and bending , the difference isnt clear for me .
what is modded and what is bended ? the qoustion is also what can be modded and what can be bended.


It seems to me that the difference between a mod and a bend is based mostly on what kind of equipment you are starting with, not what you do to it. If it's a real instrument, it's a mod. If it's a toy or something that was never intended for making electronic music, it's a bend. For example, adding patchpoints to an Arp Odyssey synthesizer is a mod, adding patchpoints to a Speak N' Spell toy is a bend. But Joker & the other guys who actually do this may have another view on this....

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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It seems to me that the difference between a mod and a bend is based mostly on what kind of equipment you are starting with, not what you do to it. If it's a real instrument, it's a mod. If it's a toy or something that was never intended for making electronic music, it's a bend. For example, adding patchpoints to an Arp Odyssey synthesizer is a mod, adding patchpoints to a Speak N' Spell toy is a bend. But Joker & the other guys who actually do this may have another view on this....


I don't know if I agree with you here Dave. A mod is definately something you do to enhance something- like for eg putting a feedback pot into a phaser without one. Bending is more like 'lets stick this here and stick the other end there and see what happens'. It's more about chaos and anti- theory than theory. Most people I know who bend circuits have no knowledge of electronics at all- apart from how to solder.

Traditionally (well traditionally I mean for the last few years of the circuit bending art) CB is done with battery operated toys because;

1. They're cheap

and

2. (most importantly) they are battery operated. This is because putting your fingers into a circuit which is connected to the mains- you could seriously harm yourself possibly even resulting in death from electrocution. (In fact it may be a good idea to put in a disclaimer that E-M excepts no responsibility whatsoever for people who may do just that!!!)

Good luck to you all!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

v-un-v wrote:
Most people I know who bend circuits have no knowledge of electronics at all- apart from how to solder

wow! that's me Very Happy you make me want to try it
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you could seriously harm yourself possibly even resulting in death from electrocution

well...maybe not Wink

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seraph wrote:

v-un-v wrote:
you could seriously harm yourself possibly even resulting in death from electrocution

well...maybe not :wink:


well funnily enough I did get quite a nasty shock from touching the flourescent tube in a speak and spell trying to bend the speak n spell board- and that's only 3 volts :-/

the basic rule is stay away from the mains unless you know what you are doing. And yes most people here are fairly wise and knowledgeable but you do get the occasional nutter!

It's worth having a look at this link;

http://censtron.com/resources/wave_vessel.php

(I'm sure this bloke was wearing rubber gloves before?)
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It's worth having a look at this link;

http://censtron.com/resources/wave_vessel.php


woaah!

thats just awesome!
finally a god use to televisions - these days they only show crap
(at leasts here in Finland).
there should be some reality shows about different teams building up synts from used household electronics... that would make my day

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there should be some reality shows about different teams building up synts from used household electronics...

you'd end up with a TV share below zero Cool

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

that tv bending isnt my thing , im lucky to survived my first bending.
i got some great shockes out of that thing, but i am stil alive

but its a lot clearer for me what is the bending and the modding.
basicly the bending you do it yuorself ,and the modding better leave that to the experts.

mabay thats the fun ,it are the Very Happy sounds of the unexpected.

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v-un-v wrote:

It's worth having a look at this link;

http://censtron.com/resources/wave_vessel.php

(I'm sure this bloke was wearing rubber gloves before?)


take a good look around the site... these guys are having us on...it's a pretty clever joke tho...

http://censtron.com/btar/

http://censtron.com/ibend/

uh..yeah...hehehe

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ok it gets a little silly here tho

http://censtron.com/tnt/

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paul e. wrote:
ok it gets a little silly here tho

http://censtron.com/tnt/


Embarassed


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paul e. wrote:

take a good look around the site... these guys are having us on...it's a pretty clever joke tho...

uh..yeah...hehehe


Oh Paul you do disappoint me! Sure it's about having a joke but a very funny -and very enjoyable joke too! But it's not at you but of exploring the other musical possibilities that these items weren't designed for. You just need an openmind and a GSOH :) You could call it a type of installation art if you want to?!

This bloke is the master- and the bloke who started it all- introducing..... Mr Reed Ghazala ;))

-highly recommended-

http://www.anti-theory.com/mainpage/



But if you do want to mess with circuit bending, get your toys to be bent from a car boot sale rather than ebay 'cos you'll end up defeating the whole object of the excercise!

if you've got a fucked-up old electronic toy that your cat pissed on a while ago but it still works , then why not take it apart a rewire the insides? touching 2 pins and some wire connected to them, to and from any other components, IC's etc. LSI chips and digital circuitry seem to work best. Analogue is a bit of a dead dog (and too bloody expensive too). Also' dot' IC's get hot really quickly when bent- so watch out. It's fun :)

The casio's are good to rewire for starters. you can pick those up for about 50p in car boot sales. The SA range (I think it's the SA-100 which is really fun to bend?) are the best- especially the ones with the mini keyboards. A lot of people also go for the Casio SK-1's- although those too are getting quite expensive now- which is a shame because they are pretty crap.

I think this is why attention has moved to even cheaper and more bizarre things and especially more visual stuff- like the TV.

Also, most of the time, don't expect the bent keyboards to make any musical sound at all while being bent. They should however - especially if you wire in on-off switches - return to normal with all switches at the off position

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if you've got a fucked-up old electronic toy that your cat pissed on a while ago but it still works , then why not take it apart a rewire the insides?

I would call it a stinkin' project Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You should never bend or play bent devices that are powered from the AC mains. Always use batteries.
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i got it ready

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i will start new topic about modifying TVs to Analog Visualization Unit -
it might be dangerous but it can be done

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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i got it ready



i will start new topic about modifying TVs to Analog Visualization Unit -
it might be dangerous but it can be done

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cool , does it make a soumd or just the picture , no mp 3 ?

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cool , does it make a sound or just the picture , no mp 3 ?


just picture - no sound (sofar)- soon i will have videoclip of it
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its a cool tv , kind of painting for a dark room . Very Happy
looks bizzarre Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just saw this. Great idea to have a dedicated forum. Does anyone have any DIY links for beginners like me? Or any other resources? I want to get started on this ASAP, as I have alot of toys/toy synths at my disposal.

Xyn? Anyone?

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I used some of Reed Ghazala's diagrams when wiring up a Speak n Math. His site is here:
http://www.anti-theory.com/soundart/

I was looking for those useful but weirdly drawn circuit board schemes on his site - they look like planets with pin numbers and lightning bolts connecting them to represent wires to add for bending... I couldn't find these schemes, but I noticed he has a new book out...maybe he took them off the site and put them in the book?

From what I gather, its a kind of hit or miss process when bending an instrument. Take it apart, make some sound (however the device does normall), and touch random parts of the circuit board to see if the sound alters. If the sound does alter, play with those areas more and try to precisely find which pins or components on the circuit board are affecting the sound. Once you find some of these "hot spots", you can solder seprate wires to them and figure out how you want to access these hot spots once the thing is back together. You can solder a switch or push button to the newly added wires, or solder thumb tack finishing nails to each wire and mount them to the outside of the case. (you'd be touching the head of the finishing nails with your fingers from the outside of the instrument to warp the noise). You can also add a resistor or a knob inbetween the wires you've soldered to vary the too. Its basically a whole whole lot of experimentation to see what happens.

I think and of the Texas Instruments Speak &.... devices are good to start with, since those are gauranteed to have some good results and theres a lot of people who have played with those and posted tips on the web.

Does anybody remember Joker's "circuit bending tool" he had at electro-music 2005? It was a little red box with a one row of resistor knobs (varying strengths) and one row of capacitor knobs, a set of pins for each row. He would connect the wires of two "hot spots" on the toys to the pins and play with the knobs to see what capacitance or resistance number made the best sound, then solder a seperate capacitor or resistor or knob to the hot spots when done. It was damn fine tool, makes it quicker to experiment and adds some method to the mayhem.
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