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G2 Version 1.40 Released!
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Afro88



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I did some FFT plots in the high frequency thread over here
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok, I don't mean to be a killjoy, but v1.32 and v1.40 waldorf pulse plots are exactly the same Sad


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

g2ian wrote:
Yeah, the big difference is that the 1.32 AA is the same on each cycle where 1.4 varies (at least when the wave frequency is not an exact multiple of the sample rate). Looks like the pre 1.4 may have been not quite right.

Maybe Clavia read this?
http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/01/why-moog-sounds-like-moog.html

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

http://www.clavia.se/news/G2mutapress.htm

Hi guys, some quotes of yours about the 1.40 version are on the clavia site!
You are now famous! So is electro-music G2 forum!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It would be a crime not to discover us, coz there are over 2000 Clavia fans in this forum...! Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Afro88 wrote:
Ok, I don't mean to be a killjoy, but v1.32 and v1.40 waldorf pulse plots are exactly the same Sad


Hehe.. ok..

I wonder if the settings with my oscilloscope were different.

What pitch was that? I found those resonant peaks were non-existant down low.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

G2DREAM wrote:
http://www.clavia.se/news/G2mutapress.htm

Hi guys, some quotes of yours about the 1.40 version are on the clavia site!
You are now famous! So is electro-music G2 forum!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:09 am    Post subject: A question answered. Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It appears Clavia do read the site then.

That's that sorted out then Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:
G2DREAM wrote:
http://www.clavia.se/news/G2mutapress.htm

Hi guys, some quotes of yours about the 1.40 version are on the clavia site!
You are now famous! So is electro-music G2 forum!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

g2ian wrote:

Yeah, the big difference is that the 1.32 AA is the same on each cycle where 1.4 varies (at least when the wave frequency is not an exact multiple of the sample rate).


I think it'd be more correct to phrase it the other way around (sample rare and wave frequency) but yeah. That's something we're never going to get around though.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:
Fame for calling myself a synth idiot, who would have believed it!


Bob - don't worry. I'm now officially a clueless person, and proud of it!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

AngusHastie wrote:
BobTheDog wrote:
Fame for calling myself a synth idiot, who would have believed it!


Bob - don't worry. I'm now officially a clueless person, and proud of it!


In that case I'd insist Clavia would put names with the quotes Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Woooo, I'm famous!!... in an anonymous kind of way Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've decided to hold back on my dissing of this new feature for a bit. Especially since I haven't had time to play with it yet (prepping for NAMM the day it came in, and just got back...)

But what was most eye opening to me was someone's comment about spending hours programming a new patch only to have it sound like sh*t.. I have a few of those lying around myself. :') If it can rescue them it will be worth having.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok, if all else fails, eye candy rules. While editing a patch with the Mutator open, the DNA worm adjusts in real time. FUN!

Also on a few patches I use alot, I have a feel for what children will be interesting or not based on what the DNA worm looks like, it's very intuitive. It makes very surprising sounds with additive synths and chaos based patches. Chaos can be so touchy to turn many knobs by hand to get attractors that work (much less sound pleasant), but plowing through children quickly makes it fun to find new attractors.

Ok, I just typed "plowing through children." I guess the G in G2 stands for genocide.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i think the 1.40 sounds much transparent than 1.32. i am very pleased with this, more than a few new models good. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's interesting to read everyone's opinions of the mutator. I've found it very useful for getting good results from patches which I don't find particularly intuitive or easy to program myself. I've had some good results so far on FM patches and also on Tim's additive synth patch posted a year or so ago - very nice pads and textures. I've also managed to generate some very interesting sequences from what started out as semi-random noodles.

I guess it all depends on your approach to synthesis. I've always liked the "found sound" approach whereas some people are obviously more interested in creating and sculpting their own sounds with a set goal in mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

W.T. wrote:
i think the 1.40 sounds much transparent than 1.32. i am very pleased with this, more than a few new models good. Very Happy


Yes -I heard they reworked some DSP code. Now, THAT's good news. For me at least.

Because -I really don't care much about the Mutator.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I was actually still a bit sceptical about this supposed 'enhanced clarity' or whatever it may be. But as I am playing some old patches into my trusty old headphones tonight, I saw ehhh heard the light as well Shocked
It really seems to be more spacious (I even checked my soundcard to see that I had no fx on; though it didn't sound like that), clearer and more 'me likes' Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmmm...regarding this whole clarity & improved DSP: I'm reminded of an old cereal commercial, where these kids are trying to get their little brother mike to taste the cereal, and he doesn't like "anything". In the end, "Mike-y Likes it!".

So, whose willing to pass their synth over to Kassen? Smile Smile Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
So, whose willing to pass their synth over to Kassen? Smile Smile Smile


haha, yep... the 'real' test...

tim; where'd you hear they reworked the DSP code?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Yes -I heard they reworked some DSP code. Now, THAT's good news. For me at least.


No teasing Tim, you have to tell us all you know about any DSP code tweaking!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
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Yes -I heard they reworked some DSP code. Now, THAT's good news. For me at least.


No teasing Tim, you have to tell us all you know about any DSP code tweaking!


Imagine if they announced stuff like that months in advance like the patch mutator.. I reckon some people would start going a bit insane.. and then afterwards you'd get people turning it on and going 'I HATE IT, I HATE IT, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE???'

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm sorry but I can't be your guinie(sp?) pig right now. I'm in Canada on a sort of vacation and will only be back in a week. After that I can have a good listen to the difference if need be. I'd be quite curious to hear what caused this difference anyway, could it be another update to those configurable filters in the DAC's?

I had a look at the new stuff at Rob's place already and I have to say I'm not too hot on it myself. Those meta-parameters do make sense for simple substractive synths but considdering how many substractive synths there are out there I personally never saw any point to using the Modulars for that stuff. The recent talk of using the mutator on rithmic paterns instead of on synthesis does sound like it might get interesting but on a broader level I so far think that this implementation of genetic algorithems is overly simplistic and seems to scale badly. Still; it's a revolutionary concept and there are bound to be "childhood illnesses" to it and I'm very much interested in where this sort of thing could go.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen, where in Canada are you, West coast or not?
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