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Afro88

Joined: Jun 20, 2004 Posts: 701 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:
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Fozzie wrote: | I was actually still a bit sceptical about this supposed 'enhanced clarity' or whatever it may be. But as I am playing some old patches into my trusty old headphones tonight, I saw ehhh heard the light as well
It really seems to be more spacious (I even checked my soundcard to see that I had no fx on; though it didn't sound like that), clearer and more 'me likes'  |
yeah, despite the frequency and oscilloscope graphs being identical, I still think there's something different. It really does sound clearer... |
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paul e.

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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:
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Afro88 wrote: |
yeah, despite the frequency and oscilloscope graphs being identical, I still think there's something different. It really does sound clearer... |
maybe you guys are just in a better mood ??  |
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ian-s

Joined: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 2672 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject:
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I'm convinced there is a difference, perhaps there is some part of the 1.4 update that cant be undone by running an older OS updater.
Yes, I know that's stretching plausibility. More likely the change is too subtle to show on a wave or spectrum plot. |
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monobass

Joined: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 275 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:
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paul e. wrote: | Afro88 wrote: |
yeah, despite the frequency and oscilloscope graphs being identical, I still think there's something different. It really does sound clearer... |
maybe you guys are just in a better mood ??  |
air temperature? sunspots? something they're not telling us? _________________ Steve |
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cebec

Joined: Apr 19, 2004 Posts: 1099 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:
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g2ian wrote: | I'm convinced there is a difference, perhaps there is some part of the 1.4 update that cant be undone by running an older OS updater.
Yes, I know that's stretching plausibility. More likely the change is too subtle to show on a wave or spectrum plot. |
that crossed my mind, as well...
although, i'll readily accept it's a placebo effect... if i have to! |
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ian-s

Joined: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 2672 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject:
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cebec wrote: |
although, i'll readily accept it's a placebo effect... if i have to! |
Ah yes, the science of music, the Placido effect and those experiments done with Pavoroti's dog.  |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:30 am Post subject:
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varice wrote: | Quote: | Yes -I heard they reworked some DSP code. Now, THAT's good news. For me at least. |
No teasing Tim, you have to tell us all you know about any DSP code tweaking! |
Uh, erm... I read it here on the forum somewhere
Didn't some people detect some sinc filtering improvements on some oscs? I thought I'd read that somewhere here, with some scope graphs. No? Did I dream it?
Sorry -didn't mean to create rumours. What do I know about synths anyway? I'm just a dumb jazz player.  |
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cappy2112

Joined: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 2498 Location: San Jose, California
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:33 am Post subject:
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_ Steve _ wrote: |
air temperature? sunspots? something they're not telling us? |
Nope- Ever read the ingredient list for Soylent Green?  |
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frater v.i.o.

Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Posts: 24 Location: Germany,Cologne
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:35 am Post subject:
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first of all the mutator is a brillant new toy.way more than just a randomyzer.
i like what it does to pad and sequenced patches.
i do not hear any improvement soundwise and i wonder if clavia would have pronounced it.sound improvement is always good advertisement unless it is not happening by happy accident.but there was no word from clavia. _________________ ...it lives again. |
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mosc
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003 Posts: 18252 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:05 am Post subject:
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If someone has a particular patch that sounds different on 1.32 and 1.40, would they please post it - or point to it if it is already posted? I would like to load up the old version and give it a careful listen.
Alternatively, maybe one could post some short experiments in wav file format and post them here if they show anything interesting.
I would be a bit surprised because Clavia usually is pretty good about listing changes to the software releases in the ReadMe.txt files. _________________ --Howard
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cebec

Joined: Apr 19, 2004 Posts: 1099 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:22 am Post subject:
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check out ians phaser patch posted in the last day. he says it aliased terribly in 1.32 and doesn't now...
of course, if his 'theory' about being unable to undo whatever changes were done by updating to 1.4 is correct, then you won't hear it!
what you say about clavia including all of their changes in the readme.txt is true, to some extent. however, i noticed that many bugs that were fixed throughout the beta stage and some which were present since 1.32, were omitted from the 1.4 readme...
another 'crazy' theory is that these hypothetical tweaks were relatively minor and they didn't want to draw attention to them for some reason...
i asked them point blank, though... but i wouldn't be surprised if they never respond to that question. |
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Tranceparent

Joined: Dec 11, 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject:
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frater v.i.o. wrote: | i wonder if clavia would have pronounced it.sound improvement is always good advertisement unless it is not happening by happy accident.but there was no word from clavia. |
I think we will never hear anything for "sound improvement" from Clavia, because anyone with little knoeledge and impracticed ears who has in mind to buy this awesome Synth, if he/she hears about 'sound enhancements update' will fall in second thoughts like: Why they enhance the sound? Is it because it's not good that they make enhancements? and stuff like that, but that's only my opinion...
I also think that the sound is now better... I don't know, by the time I started playing on 1.4 the sound seemed more 'alive' to me! Or it is just my fantasy coz there where about six months that I was waiting this update. I first saw it in Clavia's site during the summer and then the announcement disappeared!  _________________ Clavia Nord Modular G2X rules!
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cebec

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject:
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ModularG2X wrote: | Why they enhance the sound? Is it because it's not good that they make enhancements? and stuff like that, but that's only my opinion...  |
that was what i was thinking, as well...  |
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G2DREAM

Joined: Apr 27, 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Athens,Greece
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject:
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Totally agree with you ModularG2X!
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Fozzie

Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 875 Location: Near Wageningen, the Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject:
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Yeah, and in addition, it is a subtle (if real) change. So maybe people would complain if Clavia announced an improvement, but half the people would argue that they hear no difference |
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frater v.i.o.

Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Posts: 24 Location: Germany,Cologne
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject:
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ModularG2X wrote: |
I think we will never hear anything for "sound improvement" from Clavia, because anyone with little knoeledge and impracticed ears who has in mind to buy this awesome Synth, if he/she hears about 'sound enhancements update' will fall in second thoughts like: Why they enhance the sound? Is it because it's not good that they make enhancements? and stuff like that, but that's only my opinion...
I also think that the sound is now better... I don't know, by the time I started playing on 1.4 the sound seemed more 'alive' to me! Or it is just my fantasy coz there where about six months that I was waiting this update. I first saw it in Clavia's site during the summer and then the announcement disappeared!  |
well thats a good point indeed. _________________ ...it lives again. |
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jksuperstar

Joined: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 2503 Location: Denver
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject:
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I don't think it's that Clavia is trying to hide something. The only comments they make in release notes regarding modules is in terms of function and changes that will drastically change patch performance. Anything deeper than that I would consider to be kept quiet since it can reveal details about their proprietary algorythms or implementations of them. |
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Tranceparent

Joined: Dec 11, 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject:
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Thanks guys!
G2DREAM wrote: | Totally agree with you ModularG2X! |
Yo, thanks Master Kostas! (G2Dream (Kostas) is the one who taught me the SA (Synthesizer Art) and led me to this awesome forum...)  _________________ Clavia Nord Modular G2X rules!
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cebec

Joined: Apr 19, 2004 Posts: 1099 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject:
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jksuperstar wrote: | I don't think it's that Clavia is trying to hide something. The only comments they make in release notes regarding modules is in terms of function and changes that will drastically change patch performance. Anything deeper than that I would consider to be kept quiet since it can reveal details about their proprietary algorythms or implementations of them. |
but they do say this:
Nord Stage OS 2.0 preview
The analog waveforms, in the synth section, are further improved.
http://www.clavia.se/news/namm06.htm |
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dasz

Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1644 Location: victoria, canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject:
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The Nord Stage is amazing. Anyone who played it kept saying this. I got a demo from Magnus (Clavia), who's a great player himself, and this is one hell of a machine. And the feel is sweet ... even for someone who does not use the keyboard much....
These guys put the Q in quality, that's for sure.
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Tranceparent

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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:06 am Post subject:
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cebec wrote: | but they do say this:
Nord Stage OS 2.0 preview
The analog waveforms, in the synth section, are further improved. |
You see? The way they declare sound improvements is tricky for someone who doesn't know the basics...
And I think they are doing a great job because they help people buy the right and best DSP Synths ever... (I say the best DSP Synths ever, cause someone would mention e.g. the Moogs. Well, I think the Moogs are a different chapter of The Sythesizer History and Legends... )
P.S. Yeah, I saw the panel of the Nord Stage and was horrified! I like the way Clavia dedicates so much space for organs cause I love them!  |
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mosc
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mattBlack
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:
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it's funny how things don't always work out the way you expect them too... often in new and exciting ways!
before my G2X arrived (a couple of weeks ago) i'd expected to be spending all of my time playing around with the extra degrees of expression (morphs, keyboard & wheels) and the possibilities PM offered.
that was true... up until i discovered the DX7 implementation, which i knew was there, but hadn't really thought of as particularly interesting... on paper at least. even though i could have been loading & tweaking DX-like patches on my 'classic rack', it wasn't until i had the interface & started playing with them that i realized how versatile it is. so i've been labouring over FM tutorials & programming how-to's since...
likewise, i wasn't expecting much from the 1.4 update - in fact i wouldn't have been too bothered if it hadn't seen the light of day. but i downloaded anyway & started mutating a few FM variations. now i can't wipe the grin off my face!
if you've overlooked the DX7 sitting inside your G2, or you're struggling to see the value of the mutator, i'd highly recommend spending a few minutes playing around with the two of them together... they're an exciting combination; at least to my ears anyway!  |
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Chet

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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject:
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Thousands of DX7 patches were once converted to the NM patch format.
I wonder if Clavia would release enough of the G2 patch format that the same thing could be done for the G2?
It seems a shame to have all those DX7 patches floating around, and a G2 with such fine DX7-type modules, yet no easy way to get those patches into a G2. |
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mosc
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mattSix, Congrats on the new G2X.
mattSix wrote: | if you've overlooked the DX7 sitting inside your G2, or you're struggling to see the value of the mutator, i'd highly recommend spending a few minutes playing around with the two of them together... they're an exciting combination; at least to my ears anyway!  |
Yes, you are quite right about this. My feeling about the mutator has been moderated towards the positive side when I do just as you suggest and apply it to the DX patches. I find the DX patches to sound beautiful, but they are very hard to intuitively understand. The patch mutator is a great tool for exploring. It comes up with sounds I don't understand any more than before, but it makes finding them easier.  |
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