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G2 Version 1.40 Released!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I was actually still a bit sceptical about this supposed 'enhanced clarity' or whatever it may be. But as I am playing some old patches into my trusty old headphones tonight, I saw ehhh heard the light as well Shocked
It really seems to be more spacious (I even checked my soundcard to see that I had no fx on; though it didn't sound like that), clearer and more 'me likes' Cool


yeah, despite the frequency and oscilloscope graphs being identical, I still think there's something different. It really does sound clearer...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Afro88 wrote:


yeah, despite the frequency and oscilloscope graphs being identical, I still think there's something different. It really does sound clearer...


maybe you guys are just in a better mood ?? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm convinced there is a difference, perhaps there is some part of the 1.4 update that cant be undone by running an older OS updater.

Yes, I know that's stretching plausibility. More likely the change is too subtle to show on a wave or spectrum plot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

paul e. wrote:
Afro88 wrote:


yeah, despite the frequency and oscilloscope graphs being identical, I still think there's something different. It really does sound clearer...


maybe you guys are just in a better mood ?? Very Happy


air temperature? sunspots? something they're not telling us?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

g2ian wrote:
I'm convinced there is a difference, perhaps there is some part of the 1.4 update that cant be undone by running an older OS updater.

Yes, I know that's stretching plausibility. More likely the change is too subtle to show on a wave or spectrum plot.


that crossed my mind, as well...
although, i'll readily accept it's a placebo effect... if i have to!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cebec wrote:

although, i'll readily accept it's a placebo effect... if i have to!


Ah yes, the science of music, the Placido effect and those experiments done with Pavoroti's dog. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Yes -I heard they reworked some DSP code. Now, THAT's good news. For me at least.


No teasing Tim, you have to tell us all you know about any DSP code tweaking!


Uh, erm... I read it here on the forum somewhere dunno

Didn't some people detect some sinc filtering improvements on some oscs? I thought I'd read that somewhere here, with some scope graphs. No? Did I dream it?

Sorry -didn't mean to create rumours. What do I know about synths anyway? I'm just a dumb jazz player. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

_ Steve _ wrote:


air temperature? sunspots? something they're not telling us?


Nope- Ever read the ingredient list for Soylent Green? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

first of all the mutator is a brillant new toy.way more than just a randomyzer.
i like what it does to pad and sequenced patches.
i do not hear any improvement soundwise and i wonder if clavia would have pronounced it.sound improvement is always good advertisement unless it is not happening by happy accident.but there was no word from clavia.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If someone has a particular patch that sounds different on 1.32 and 1.40, would they please post it - or point to it if it is already posted? I would like to load up the old version and give it a careful listen.

Alternatively, maybe one could post some short experiments in wav file format and post them here if they show anything interesting.

I would be a bit surprised because Clavia usually is pretty good about listing changes to the software releases in the ReadMe.txt files.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

check out ians phaser patch posted in the last day. he says it aliased terribly in 1.32 and doesn't now...
of course, if his 'theory' about being unable to undo whatever changes were done by updating to 1.4 is correct, then you won't hear it! Laughing
what you say about clavia including all of their changes in the readme.txt is true, to some extent. however, i noticed that many bugs that were fixed throughout the beta stage and some which were present since 1.32, were omitted from the 1.4 readme...
another 'crazy' theory is that these hypothetical tweaks were relatively minor and they didn't want to draw attention to them for some reason... Rolling Eyes
i asked them point blank, though... but i wouldn't be surprised if they never respond to that question.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

frater v.i.o. wrote:
i wonder if clavia would have pronounced it.sound improvement is always good advertisement unless it is not happening by happy accident.but there was no word from clavia.

I think we will never hear anything for "sound improvement" from Clavia, because anyone with little knoeledge and impracticed ears who has in mind to buy this awesome Synth, if he/she hears about 'sound enhancements update' will fall in second thoughts like: Why they enhance the sound? Is it because it's not good that they make enhancements? and stuff like that, but that's only my opinion... Embarassed

I also think that the sound is now better... I don't know, by the time I started playing on 1.4 the sound seemed more 'alive' to me! Surprised Very Happy Or it is just my fantasy coz there where about six months that I was waiting this update. I first saw it in Clavia's site during the summer and then the announcement disappeared! Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ModularG2X wrote:
Why they enhance the sound? Is it because it's not good that they make enhancements? and stuff like that, but that's only my opinion... Embarassed


that was what i was thinking, as well... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Totally agree with you ModularG2X!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, and in addition, it is a subtle (if real) change. So maybe people would complain if Clavia announced an improvement, but half the people would argue that they hear no difference
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ModularG2X wrote:

I think we will never hear anything for "sound improvement" from Clavia, because anyone with little knoeledge and impracticed ears who has in mind to buy this awesome Synth, if he/she hears about 'sound enhancements update' will fall in second thoughts like: Why they enhance the sound? Is it because it's not good that they make enhancements? and stuff like that, but that's only my opinion... Embarassed

I also think that the sound is now better... I don't know, by the time I started playing on 1.4 the sound seemed more 'alive' to me! Surprised Very Happy Or it is just my fantasy coz there where about six months that I was waiting this update. I first saw it in Clavia's site during the summer and then the announcement disappeared! Shocked

well thats a good point indeed.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't think it's that Clavia is trying to hide something. The only comments they make in release notes regarding modules is in terms of function and changes that will drastically change patch performance. Anything deeper than that I would consider to be kept quiet since it can reveal details about their proprietary algorythms or implementations of them.
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Thanks guys! Embarassed Cool

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Totally agree with you ModularG2X!

Yo, thanks Master Kostas! (G2Dream (Kostas) is the one who taught me the SA (Synthesizer Art) and led me to this awesome forum...) Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
I don't think it's that Clavia is trying to hide something. The only comments they make in release notes regarding modules is in terms of function and changes that will drastically change patch performance. Anything deeper than that I would consider to be kept quiet since it can reveal details about their proprietary algorythms or implementations of them.


but they do say this:

Nord Stage OS 2.0 preview
The analog waveforms, in the synth section, are further improved.

http://www.clavia.se/news/namm06.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The Nord Stage is amazing. Anyone who played it kept saying this. I got a demo from Magnus (Clavia), who's a great player himself, and this is one hell of a machine. And the feel is sweet ... even for someone who does not use the keyboard much....

These guys put the Q in quality, that's for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cebec wrote:
but they do say this:

Nord Stage OS 2.0 preview
The analog waveforms, in the synth section, are further improved.


You see? The way they declare sound improvements is tricky for someone who doesn't know the basics... Cool
And I think they are doing a great job because they help people buy the right and best DSP Synths ever... (I say the best DSP Synths ever, cause someone would mention e.g. the Moogs. Well, I think the Moogs are a different chapter of The Sythesizer History and Legends... Wink )

P.S. Yeah, I saw the panel of the Nord Stage and was horrified! Shocked I like the way Clavia dedicates so much space for organs cause I love them! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I tried to do an objective comparison of the two releases. See this topic: http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-9746.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

it's funny how things don't always work out the way you expect them too... often in new and exciting ways!

before my G2X arrived (a couple of weeks ago) i'd expected to be spending all of my time playing around with the extra degrees of expression (morphs, keyboard & wheels) and the possibilities PM offered.

that was true... up until i discovered the DX7 implementation, which i knew was there, but hadn't really thought of as particularly interesting... on paper at least. even though i could have been loading & tweaking DX-like patches on my 'classic rack', it wasn't until i had the interface & started playing with them that i realized how versatile it is. so i've been labouring over FM tutorials & programming how-to's since...

likewise, i wasn't expecting much from the 1.4 update - in fact i wouldn't have been too bothered if it hadn't seen the light of day. but i downloaded anyway & started mutating a few FM variations. now i can't wipe the grin off my face! Smile

if you've overlooked the DX7 sitting inside your G2, or you're struggling to see the value of the mutator, i'd highly recommend spending a few minutes playing around with the two of them together... they're an exciting combination; at least to my ears anyway! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thousands of DX7 patches were once converted to the NM patch format.

I wonder if Clavia would release enough of the G2 patch format that the same thing could be done for the G2?

It seems a shame to have all those DX7 patches floating around, and a G2 with such fine DX7-type modules, yet no easy way to get those patches into a G2.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mattSix, Congrats on the new G2X.

mattSix wrote:
if you've overlooked the DX7 sitting inside your G2, or you're struggling to see the value of the mutator, i'd highly recommend spending a few minutes playing around with the two of them together... they're an exciting combination; at least to my ears anyway! Very Happy

Yes, you are quite right about this. My feeling about the mutator has been moderated towards the positive side when I do just as you suggest and apply it to the DX patches. I find the DX patches to sound beautiful, but they are very hard to intuitively understand. The patch mutator is a great tool for exploring. It comes up with sounds I don't understand any more than before, but it makes finding them easier. Laughing
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