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TekniK



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Hi,i wander wich type of vactrol i need to obtain that 'comb filter' effect like the sound op the plan b model have for example?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

TekniK wrote:
TekniK wrote:
Hi,i wander wich type of vactrol i need to obtain that 'comb filter' effect like the sound op the plan b model have for example?

nobody?

Comb filter?
Depending on Vactrol type?

I'm not sure people understand what you are wondering about. Could you explain?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

/mr wrote:
TekniK wrote:
TekniK wrote:
Hi,i wander wich type of vactrol i need to obtain that 'comb filter' effect like the sound op the plan b model have for example?

nobody?

Comb filter?
Depending on Vactrol type?

I'm not sure people understand what you are wondering about. Could you explain?


hi,listen to the plan-B LPG videos linked on there site.

depending on the type of vactrol u can recreate that comb filter resonance effect.Great to synthesize tablas for example.
the wiard LPG's does not sound like that and when i hear the demo vids of this project with the vactrols used its also not possible it seems (am sure).

so if u want to sound like Morton Subotnic u need the right vactrols

so i would like to know the type i do need to obtain that sound.

thank u
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

TekniK wrote:
hi,listen to the plan-B LPG videos linked on there site.

What do you mean by a "comb filter resonance effect", and how would you get a comb filter out of an analogue filter with only a couple of poles?

I hear the sound changing as the camera is moved in the room, and the delayed sounds from loudspeakers & wall reflections make ordinary "comb-filter like" acoustics. Maybe this is what you mean?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I kind of get what TekniK is getting at - by "comb filter" he means the karplus-strong-pluck type effect you can get by turning up the resonance on a comb filter and feeding a transient sound into it. On a vactrol LPG you get a similar effect by feeding a sustaining sound through it and hitting it with a transient CV. Either way, the efffect is somewhat like a finger plucking a string. The Plan B LPG does do this effect very well. I don't know what the actual answer to the question is, mind.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Norman Phay wrote:
On a vactrol LPG you get a similar effect by feeding a sustaining sound through it and hitting it with a transient CV. Either way, the efffect is somewhat like a finger plucking a string.

i think a fast vactrol would work for trigger pulses.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I used to think the slower the vactrol the better for those plucky sounds. Could be wrong or a matter of taste.

However, the Borg 2 has very fast vatrols and can do plucky sounds but I thought my Fonik LPG better in this regard. Unfortunately by now I've killed my Fonik LPG so I've no chance to do a direct comparison at this moment.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

TekniK wrote:
TekniK wrote:
Hi,i wander wich type of vactrol i need to obtain that 'comb filter' effect like the sound op the plan b model have for example?


nobody?


It may not be the vactrol that is solely responsible for the difference in sound you're descrtibing.

But you might try testing out different vactrols to see if you respond to one or the other. There's only about three different manufacturers.

I've used a couple (2) different vactrols in this circuit and did not notice any dramatic difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Norman Phay wrote:
I kind of get what TekniK is getting at - by "comb filter" he means the karplus-strong-pluck type effect you can get by turning up the resonance on a comb filter and feeding a transient sound into it.

Ah, I see. The pluckiness i definitely related to the slew of the Vactrols compared to "ordinary" filter components, and it's probably the most distinctive character of the Lowpass Gate.

I guess the answer to the question is that one should choose the same Vactrol type as in product X to have a pluckiness like product X. But I don't know which non-Buchla product uses what Vactrol. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Norman Phay wrote:
I kind of get what TekniK is getting at - by "comb filter" he means the karplus-strong-pluck type effect you can get by turning up the resonance on a comb filter and feeding a transient sound into it. On a vactrol LPG you get a similar effect by feeding a sustaining sound through it and hitting it with a transient CV. Either way, the efffect is somewhat like a finger plucking a string. The Plan B LPG does do this effect very well. I don't know what the actual answer to the question is, mind.


Hi Norman,

Exactly,i could not have discribe it better!

(note: i just noticed that the demo vid on PlanB has been removed,there where 2 vids,now only one,and u don't hear the effect in this one ,u can here it better in the cynthia demo's but not 'deep' enough to)

i found a picture of the Plan-B PCb here,but cannot read the vactrol type Sad

I have been told that te Model 13 that has that comb caracteristic let pass thru a bit audio,the borg closes very well and also this project as i can hear in the vids.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Boards Have Arrived - See PICS Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi gang,

The PCB's arrived today. I am currently sorting them per the orders and making up shipping labels for each. I will ship them in two batches (USA Domestic & International). There are around 100 orders so it will likely take the full week I anticipated to get them packaged and out in the post. Stay with me, your order will ship by next Monday at the latest. My wife will help me write the customs slips for the International ones to speed the process. Boy, the post office is going to loath my arrival with all these little packages to weight and process (HA!).

See below for the PCB pictures. The silk screen and solder mask came out great. The RoHS Lead-Free process means they are whitish instead of silver like tin/lead boards... and I tested them to make sure the finish solders easily and it does. The spacing for pots came out very nicely if I do say so myself and is fully compatible with Spectrol/Vishay 148/149, 248/249, Alpha 16mm PCB type pots and Bourns 91 series among many others. Enjoy the pics folks! Shipping emails will come soon!

Thomas


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ill take two if someone cancels their order

-jim
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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My wife will help me write the customs slips for the International ones to speed the process. Boy, the post office is going to loath my arrival with all these little packages to weight and process (HA!).


hi thomas, customs forms shouldn't be necessary so long as your envelopes are less than 8 oz.s and you say they have 'no commercial value'. i made about a dozen trips to my post office and have gotten to know just about everyone there by now.. yeah they'll love you.

nice project btw

josh
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yeah label as no comercial value Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

They shore look purty! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello, if it turns out that any pcb's are left over, or become available, i'd like to put my name down for 2 or 4, please. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: NOW SHIPPING! Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ladies and Gentlemen,

All shipments are being sent on the same day. I will be at the post office at 9:00am tomorrow, on Saturday, November 8th to mail all the packages to the world... and let me tell you there are a lot of them. You just don't know how much work this is going to take until you have all the shipments packaged, the customs slips written, and the packaging all sealed up! So, be on the look out for brown craft envelopes as shown in the picture below. I ran out of them so two were sent in white ones and a few larger orders were sent in standard orange paper bubble-envelopes. Please email me when your shipment arrives. It could take up to 2-3 weeks for some of the far regions. Just remember I am shipping from Los Angeles area, California when trying to figure out how long you should expect. Thanks again for your support of this project!

Thomas


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

woohoo!

that looks like a lot of work...
thanks bro
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

As someone who ships a lot from my own online store, I feel your pain! Thanks so much again for this, and I look forward to receiving my boards!
well done

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

amazing thank you!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: NOW SHIPPING! Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

djthomaswhite wrote:
You just don't know how much work this is going to take until you have all the shipments packaged, the customs slips written, and the packaging all sealed up!

i know Laughing

you're doing a great job!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great job!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wow, thanks so much, especially for accommodating as many folks as you could for this fantastic project. Your hard work is very much appreciated!
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Thx!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Saturday "Post Shipping" update:

I just got back from the post office. A kind lady named "Joulee" helped me to ship 112 packages total over the course of 1 hour. All orders have been filled and processed. Please email me when your order arrives. All International should take 5-10 business days to get to you.

I will make sure to update the PCB layout on the docs packet this weekend. All the parts are the same, but the traces got switched around a bit for the resonance pot. I can't wait to see the various builds people put together from this!

Thomas

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