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cebec

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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:20 am Post subject:
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tim wrote: | Afro88 wrote: | Woah, I wasn't expecting that. That peak at 24/25k is almost as loud as the fundamental  |
Yes, but remember the whole thing is gained by 72 dB! |
Yeah...It's also interesting that the 72 dB gained difference on the G2 sounds a lot more like the original audio than the same on the NM1.
I think, though, as Chet says, we might be looking at/hearing additional anti-aliasing processing and the artifacts are being pushed into the 'inaudible' HF range on the G2. |
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Kassen
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
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tim wrote: | See -This may be something the avant-garde, "mad professor synthesist" folks among you might not understand. But there really are musical situations where you just need to be able to hit that "fender rhodes" or "clavinet" button as fast as possible and go for it. I'm in such situations quite frequently, as well as rummaging around in the "mad professor" department.
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Yeah, true. It's realy the A.A.S. stuff that made me see that. Something about their programs makes me want to just play keyboard to myself all night, I even like the presets. That's quite something, considdering that I'm a terrible keyboard player. I even borowed a DX7 to play and make quite concervative presets.
It's not the pianos or synthstabs that I abject to, it's realy the way those things are presented; I have no objections at all to playing some nice keyboard sounds. It's the way they are marketed and presented as amazing and new while in reality it's some more wavetable filtering that gives me a weird taste in my mouth. _________________ Kassen |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:46 am Post subject:
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Kassen wrote: | It's not the pianos or synthstabs that I abject to, it's realy the way those things are presented; I have no objections at all to playing some nice keyboard sounds. It's the way they are marketed and presented as amazing and new while in reality it's some more wavetable filtering that gives me a weird taste in my mouth. |
Amen to that. Those "Tritomotifantoms" (that's what I call them) are also too "flashy", too gimmicky, with color LCD screens and too many options...
I think the Nord Stage looks great by comparison.
I like the A.A.S. stuff too.
Anyway, I'd be very interested what Rob has to say to all this. Rob? |
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cebec

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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:24 am Post subject:
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in the meantime, this section from Rob's G2 workshops explains a bit of what's going on, here.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/G2Pages/SignalTypes.htm
particularly this:
"Red 96kHz signals are the primary choice for audio signals. Oscillator modules will always have a red output to insure the highest audio quality. Blue signals are commonly used for control signals like envelopes and low frequency modulation signals, as these signal types do not need to be updated at very high speeds. In general it is said that it suffices to update an envelope signal a couple of hundred times a second. And on many other systems, like some softsynths, it is not uncommon to update envelopes and other control signals at a rate which is one hundredth of the audio samplerate, so when the sample rate is 48kHz the control signals would be updated 480 times a second. On the G2 however, the blue signals are always at a quarter of the red samplerate of 96kHz, so at 24kHz. The advantage is that this 24kHz lies just above the hearing range. On the G2 any zippery noises caused by the control signal being updated are now just above the hearing range and cannot be heard, though it might start your dog barking. The G2 has audibly a clear advantage over many other softsynth products here." Last edited by cebec on Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:41 am; edited 1 time in total |
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elektro80
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:37 am Post subject:
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tim wrote: | I like the A.A.S. stuff too.
Anyway, I'd be very interested what Rob has to say to all this. Rob? |
I am working on a review of the A.A.S String Studio. I haven´t managed to finish it yet, so I will publish it after I get back from Barcelona. One thing is clear, the SS is an extremely interesting concept. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Wan

Joined: Mar 31, 2004 Posts: 259 Location: Netherlands, Ugchelen
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:03 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | I am working on a review of the A.A.S String Studio. I haven´t managed to finish it yet, so I will publish it after I get back from Barcelona. One thing is clear, the SS is an extremely interesting concept. |
Not long ago i've been converted to A.A.S. addict (blame it on Kassen). Recently i bought String Studio and now i am going through it trying to get the grip on it. I am curious what your finding with it are. Where are you going to publish your review? _________________ Grtz Wan |
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mosc
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:16 am Post subject:
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I think Stein is already on the road. I hear he's going to publish it on a most highly respected online electronic music site.  _________________ --Howard
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Wan

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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject:
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Kassen
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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Yeah, mr80 wrote to me wanting to know how to go about getting a review copy. I said "I dunno" but CC'ed our friend Eric at AAS.
String studio is a little marvel; Tassman is great but Tassman needs planning and thought to get somewhere usefull and SS pritty much sounds great regardless of what you do; it´s one of the most inspirering instruments I ever touched. _________________ Kassen |
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