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Wren latest version - 2023.2.8.0
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Version 2022.3.25.0 - and you can:



This release uses an installer - stiil - you must not install Wren in a µsoft owned folder (like program flies, desktop, whathaveyou). The installer may survive that though, but Wren still needs user writable files in the exe folder. The installer should warn about it Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

For version 2022.3.28.0 I've updated the installer so it can re-install itself. Also source code can now be downloaded from Wren itself.

Reduced the Wren web page to almost nothing, and started a new, nore responsive wiki, that holds the information from the old web page.

links:

https://bluehell.nl/wren/

https://bluehell.nl/wren/modules.html

https://bluehell.nl/blogje/

https://bluehell.nl/wren/wiki/

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2022 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

HI, while trying to install last version my installation folder changed from C:\Audio\Wren to C:\bin\Wren
I reinstalled again to find the exe file because after the first install Wren didn't copied in the expected folder.
I think it may be corrected.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2022 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi wikter,

Ah, so it goes a bit messy then ... saw you were in the chat too this morning .. I was still sleeping of course Rolling Eyes

Was it the first time you used the installer?

The current installer should - when you do an upgrade from within Wren itself (help menu) - install over the current Wren.

Howver, when the installer is used stand-alone (which unfortunately has to be done the first time the installer is used), it will not know where Wren is and you will have to tell it during the installation.

You can always solve the issue by copying all Wren files except Wren.ini to where you want it to be.

I'll run some tests here too ... later today ... maybe the installer could issue a warning or something when it can not find Wren, or show a dialog to help find the current Wren.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2022 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi, it was the first time installed in this machine and I specified c:\audio\wren (and also created a folder to avoid folder owner problems).
I installed it again because I was unaware of where my files went to and again the program changed the path after the second step of the installation.
I did a third "try" after moving & running Wren from the c:\audio\wren
The installer did that c:\bin\wren swap again.
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2022 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah ok, thanks, I see what you mean now - it will indeed mess up the path and it has to be set again after selecting what must be installed.

And this is not what is intended - I will look at it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2022 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok, I've updated the installer (to version 2022.5.22.0) and remade the depending installs (for the full installation and the pre-release) to contain the new installer version as well.

And - oh miracle - it was not immediately false flagged by bitdefender as a virus this time. Maybe I should zip the installer better ...

Anyways, I hope this will fix it Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:54 pm    Post subject: another new one Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Aand another new one 2022.6.2.0 - I think it is about 30% faster than a while ago .. and some more stuff ...

Details are @ https://bluehell.nl/blogje/

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell I have lost track and have a stupid question. Could one say Wren is sonically the same as Nord Modular G2? Or is it a do not compare situation. Thanks sir.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

John_W_Thompson wrote:
Blue Hell I have lost track and have a stupid question. Could one say Wren is sonically the same as Nord Modular G2? Or is it a do not compare situation. Thanks sir.


Sure! One can say just about everything!

And nowadays .. oh damn .. let me keep plottix out Smile - just be sure to vote the right thing . erm left thing .. next time Smile

But anywway ... eh .. eh .. I've never tried to make Wren sound like a Nord.

Hmm and that is not 100% true .. just 0.327% or so ...the OSC1/OscPercCS module .. i've made that one listening to Nords!

So eh .. the short answer is : No Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh and btw it is at 2022.12.4.0 now, version wise : https://bluehell.nl/

The blog has some update / revision news .. overall though .. I think Wren to be be finished!

I'm out of ideas and out of plans .. i use it .. just that .. use it :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

THANKS SO MUCH!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The input module was not working, made a new Wren version to fix that : 2023.2.7.0.

There is some more info @ https://electro-music.com/forum/topic-73740.html

You should be able to obtain this from within Wren itself (menu: Help / Full update ...).

And if not ... see the blog : https://bluehell.nl/blogje/ or the Wiki : https://bluehell.nl/wren/wiki/doku.php?id=download for more info on downloading and installation.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
I think Wren to be be finished!


thumright Hail the Master well-done: Hail the Master thumleft
amazing piece of work!
maybe I'll play around with it again someday, but I don't seem to get along with softsynths very well.

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PHOBoS wrote:
Blue Hell wrote:
I think Wren to be be finished!


thumright Hail the Master well-done: Hail the Master thumleft
amazing piece of work!
maybe I'll play around with it again someday, but I don't seem to get along with softsynths very well.


Hah, thanks pho Cool

And .. you know .. even when my apartment maybe is, I think, slightly larger than yours .. I do not have that amount of space that you have for hardware Laughing

Also .. the 2023.2.7.0 fix was not ok yet .. made a 2023.2.8.0 as well to repair inputs better Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:56 am    Post subject: Wren
Subject description: Integrating Wren into my studio setup
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Hi Jan. I have had some spare time to dig into Wren (though I first installed it a couple of years ago). I just upgraded to the latest version.

There is a bit of a learning curve for me simply because some of the module functions are new to me. However, the patching/interface is pretty intuitive, and I am already getting some nice sounds/textures from it.

I do have a question though ... I would like to send MIDI clock, start, and reset messages:

MIDI CLOCK F8
MIDI START FA
MIDI STOP FC

I tried to use the MidiPnOut module but was unable to get it to work for those messages (though it was transmitting MIDI).

There are other methods I can use but this would be kind of elegant for my application.

Many of the modules have statistical math functions and I can see how WREN can do some wonderful generative music.

It runs very efficiently on my computer (which is a late-model desktop) and it appears I can do some pretty rich things. I may have to "load it up" a lot before I max out the computer here.

Jan, thank you for creating this and offering it to the world. I look forward to using Wren on future work -- particularly on the quarterly streaming events here at Electro-music.com.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Wren
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kkissinger wrote:
MIDI CLOCK F8
MIDI START FA
MIDI STOP FC


Hi Kevin. I'll have a look when I find some time ... the sysex out (or a variation thereof) should do the real-time messages I guess .. if only that one would work, it never got implemented though ;)

Hmm .. but maybe Wren should be able to listen to such messages too.

Anyway - when I find time :)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Wren
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Hmm .. but maybe Wren should be able to listen to such messages too.


Wren does a great job of receiving midi clock messages. In fact, Wren's MIDI integration is really great and will interface with my other equipment quite well.

I already have an idea for a module -- the input would be a set of MIDI notes and the output would be the harmonic root based on the Hindemith method for determining the root.

Is it difficult to create modules for Wren?

I will check documentation on it... this module is not a high-priority but would be a fun project to do if I ever have any spare time.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Wren
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kkissinger wrote:
Is it difficult to create modules for Wren?


Usually not very .. it depends of course .. and it needs Delphi ... which may not be handy Wink

There are some things a module should not do in the audio thread - like allocate memory .. but it can do such stuff too with a bit of thought.

Most often there is some boiler plate stuff .. the audio or control bit often is remarkably simple.

For the user interface there are some naming conventions to be used to make the mapping from controls to the actual code automatically work.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:31 am    Post subject: What is the "Warp" function? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Many of Wren's Oscillators have a knob labeled "Warp" on them however I can't find its function in the documentation.

Would you be able to describe what "Warp" does?

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah .. warp is a sort of generalised PWM .. like it makes longer and shorter "half periods" (edit: which no longer are halves then .. of course ..) for square signals, and so does it for all wave forms.

You may know about the wiki @ https://bluehell.nl/wren/wiki/doku.php (which btw has no info about warping it seems).

but there is some older info too @ https://bluehell.nl/wren/history.php which does use the word warp at times.

Anyway, it makes the wave run faster in one half period than in the other while keeping the total period time constant.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And .. for completeness ... sometimes warping is immplemented for random signals too .. in which case it will do something with probabillities .. like generate more and or wilder changes when the parameter is increased (and then maybe freeze the signal at the current level when set to zero).
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