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BobTheDog

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject:
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| Live is fantastic, you would not be disappointed. |
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GovernorSilver

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:28 am Post subject:
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I got a reply from Ableton stating that Live Launchpad Edition qualifies for the "upgrade to Live Suite 8 in April, get Max For Live free" promotion. The Launchpad looks like a good starter controller for Live and there are reportedly a bunch of Max For Live devices that utilize it, as well as a Monome emulator.
I still plan to continue learning how to use my Korg M3 as my main sequencing/composing workstation, but it would be nice to have a "small rig" alternative in a laptop. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:51 am Post subject:
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| I dig the launchpad. The monome emulator makes use of the 8 extra buttons on the right side, so you can emulate having 8 monomes. Awesome for making one setting for parameter control, one for step sequencing, etc. Plus, it has 3 other modes (always accessible) for direct control over ableton! |
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GovernorSilver

Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1349 Location: Washington DC Metro
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:27 am Post subject:
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| jksuperstar wrote: | | I dig the launchpad. The monome emulator makes use of the 8 extra buttons on the right side, so you can emulate having 8 monomes. Awesome for making one setting for parameter control, one for step sequencing, etc. Plus, it has 3 other modes (always accessible) for direct control over ableton! |
Wow, sounds pretty good!
I like what I've read in CDM about the LFO modulation options in Live, certain M4L devices (eg. Monolake's new granulator), and applications for Euclidian rhythms and microtuning Operator, among other things.
While the M3 (and sheet music paper) will probably remain my composing workstation for more conventional approaches to writing, Live + M4L is looking more and more promising as a composing workstation for less conventional music making - particularly ambient and Spectralism-inspired stuff and looping. I can't wait to run my electric violin into Live + M4L.
I'll probably pick up a Launchpad soon then - need to talk to my contact at the local shop tomorrow, and see if he can offer me a package deal for Launchpad plus Live Suite upgrade. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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ark

Joined: Mar 06, 2008 Posts: 679 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:36 am Post subject:
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| As a benchmark, NovaMusik is advertising Launchpad + Live 8 Suite upgrade for $769. |
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:43 am Post subject:
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| The only two things that would make it better would be pressure sensing on each pad, and faster communication (occasionally updates take a full second for the interface when switching modes). Not much to complain about. |
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GovernorSilver

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject:
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| ark wrote: | | As a benchmark, NovaMusik is advertising Launchpad + Live 8 Suite upgrade for $769. |
Thanks! My contact at the shop is usually good at matching/beating other stores' prices. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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dewdrop_world

Joined: Aug 28, 2006 Posts: 858 Location: Guangzhou, China
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject:
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| GovernorSilver wrote: | | Max (by Cycling74) is cool, but as of v.5 you cannot use Max patches as DAW plugins unless you buy Max For Live too. At least that is my understanding of the situation. |
A bit late to this one -- been busy, haven't been keeping up on the forum here.
If I were going to roll my own VSTs, I would use Faust: Faust --> C++ --> VST.
I have to admit, I never quite got what was so great about Max (and now that I've been teaching it for the last year, I'm even less convinced). It always seemed to me like kind of a smoke and mirrors game -- in reality, using Max is programming, but because of the pretty boxes and wires, you can almost convince yourself that you're not programming... until you want to do something that's easy to do in programming languages but a lot harder with the boxes and wires. I don't think it's an accident that all the really cool Max projects I've ever heard of depend on externals custom-built for that project. So my feeling is, if you're going to have to write code to do anything really interesting anyway, why not start with code and eliminate the middleman?
Well, maybe jitter is worth the trouble (SuperCollider doesn't have integrated live video). But there's Processing...
<flame gear on>
James _________________ ddw online: http://www.dewdrop-world.net
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cbm

Joined: Oct 25, 2005 Posts: 381 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:19 am Post subject:
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Max is great for getting something going quickly. Yes it's programming, but so are a lot of things that span the whole spectrum of user-friendlieness. I do a lot of prototyping in Max, and then end up writing final code in C. Miller Puckette once described Max as a graphic shell to host C code.
I think that different people gravitate to different ways of expressing programatic ideas, and Max works well for a lot of people. _________________ Chris Muir
http://www.eardrill.com <– My jobby (more than a hobby, less than a job) |
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BobTheDog

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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:40 am Post subject:
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I agree with both of you here.
I must admit using Max for me usually leads to me knocking up externals which is pretty easy with the sdk. I find it easier to get my head around things without using the little boxes.
Other people though are quite happy with making very complex things with Max and would never go near a text based programming language.
Having the ability to use JavaScript in the js object is also pretty neat for many people. |
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GovernorSilver

Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1349 Location: Washington DC Metro
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject:
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Good points, guys. However, I don't see myself needing to program my own alternatives to the goodies that appear to come with Ableton Live Suite 8 and Max For Live - particularly the new granulator, the LFO features, etc. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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Airlock

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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject:
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RME Fireface UFX
See you all next year... |
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dewdrop_world

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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:30 am Post subject:
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| cbm wrote: | | Max is great for getting something going quickly. |
One could say the same about JITLib in SuperCollider
| Quote: | | I think that different people gravitate to different ways of expressing programmatic ideas, and Max works well for a lot of people. |
That's true. At times I wonder about Max's entrenchment in the computer music world... how many people are using Max because it's what they learned in school, when another paradigm might suit them better? I'm all for free choice, but when there is an implicit assumption for instance at computer music conferences that almost everybody must be a Max user, then "minority" platforms are bound to get the short end of that stick.
Anyway, this is off-topic for "new gear" -- I'll save this for another time, and another subforum.
James _________________ ddw online: http://www.dewdrop-world.net
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GovernorSilver

Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1349 Location: Washington DC Metro
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject:
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I'm much more interested in Ableton Live than Max (the standalone, not-for-Live version), per se. But I do like being able to get Max For Live for free.
My mentor in university was not the biggest fan of Max, but encouraged me to play with it when he saw I was interested in it and was going to get it anyway. This was back in the days of Max v.3. He was into interactive computer music software himself, utilizing a pitch-MIDI device and MIDI, but he preferred to roll his own software in Forth. These days he uses Ableton Live.
Between my Nord Modular G2, soon to be acquired Max For Live, and my barely-used Reaktor 5, I have all the softsynth patching toolkits I could possibly want. My needs aren't esoteric enough to get into Supercollider, let alone programming my own stuff in C or what have you. I think part if it is because today's software tools have gotten much more sophicisticated. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject:
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| Don't forget MAX for Live isn't as crippled compared to Max, as Live is very much extended by M4L. It gives you access to "inner workings" of Live, including audio and MIDI data while live is running. It also gives you a powerful interface for any MIDI or OSC controller, expanding its capabilities, or giving it new features w/r to Live. Plus all the other mojo MAX does. |
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GovernorSilver

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject:
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I found a broken EHX Deluxe Memory Man on ebay and bought it after getting an email reply from Howard Davis (lead engineer on the original Deluxe Memory Man project) saying he'd fix it and install mods if I want.
I also ordered mods for my Line 6 DL4 pedal.
Ironic, I know, after all my talk about expanding my effects/looping rig for guitar and electric violin to the software realm. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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nobody
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject:
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| GovernorSilver wrote: | | I found a broken EHX Deluxe Memory Man |
This? Love to hear some samples when you get it working.
I now have a Blofeld. It's very nice. It's amazingly easy to use considering the minimal interface. It's easier to use than some synths I have with tons of knobs. And the sounds are very nice. Basses are deep and warm, compared to basses on my Virus KB, which are deep, but often edgy, with lots of harmonics that muddy up the mix below 20 Hz. I'm looking forward to exploring this tiny-in-size-but-not-in-sound machine.
I'm having trouble updating it from OS 1.13 to 1.15, though. My understanding is that I'll get user wavetables out of the update. |
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GovernorSilver

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject:
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| audiodef wrote: | | GovernorSilver wrote: | | I found a broken EHX Deluxe Memory Man |
This? Love to hear some samples when you get it working.
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What you linked is the current production version, commonly referred to as the "DMM XO". What I just bought is the "big box" DMM, which is the older design and looks like this:
What I've always liked about the big box version was the big knobs, which are easy to manipulate with the feet (no expression pedals needed). The XO version has smaller, less foot-friendly knobs.
Jim of R3FX said he'll record a Youtube demo of my DL4 after he's done, so that will be up before my DMM demo . I suppose I spent enough on it on the mods that I could have bought a new delay pedal, but they do add a lot of functionality to it (instant oscillation switch, double-preset switch, tap tempo jack that lets the DL4 sync itself to something else, or sync another device to itself, etc.).
Enjoy your new Blofeld! I've heard great things about that little box. _________________ Current and recent work on Soundcloud
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BobTheDog

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject:
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| audiodef wrote: | | I'm having trouble updating it from OS 1.13 to 1.15, though. My understanding is that I'll get user wavetables out of the update. |
I think you have to pay extra to unlock the sample ram, just updating to 1.15 will not do this. http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofeld_license_sl_sample_upg.htm
I hate the fact that you have to pay to unlock some hardware in the machine that you have already paid for, this stinks to me. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:23 am Post subject:
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| BobTheDog wrote: | | this stinks to me. |
I agree, it makes it a bit all too clear that WANT and NEED have a price, and not the actual device ... _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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BobTheDog

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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:32 am Post subject:
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When I was a placement student many years ago I worked for Norsk Data who made a range of mini computers.
One of the very expensive speed upgrades that could be done to the machines required a screwdriver and 2 minutes of time to change the value of a pot.
Same idea. |
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nobody
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:48 am Post subject:
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| That does stink. I think I'm going to look for a way to hack that. Like you said, I already paid for it! |
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nobody
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:36 am Post subject:
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I just bought this 1971 Japanese Gretsch Country Gentleman copy from Patrick Kigongo of Ra Ra Rasputin. He had posted his desire to sell it on Facebook and I met him this past Saturday night at American University, where RRR performed with Painted Faces and Laughing Man. Patrick really shreds! He's a very pleasant, sociable guy who really knows guitars. All three bands put on a good show in a small, intimate environment. The audience was encouraged to stand right up in front of the bands.
I've wanted a Gretsch ever since I first saw one and didn't even yet know that those guitars were Gretsch's. Since a real Gretsch, new, costs $3k, and since the Japanese, as far as I could discern, are known to make good guitars, I decided to go for it.
This is a semi-acoustic; however, there are no F-holes (what you see is part of the body's paint job). It does play acoustically, but as you'd expect, the sound is a bit soft.
Plugged in, it has a warm, somewhat soft sound.
It's very nice and I'm happy with it.
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BobTheDog

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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:43 am Post subject:
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Looks nice!
Is the neck pretty thin or is it just an illusion? |
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nobody
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:58 am Post subject:
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| BobTheDog wrote: | Looks nice!
Is the neck pretty thin or is it just an illusion? |
The neck is actually a little thin, which is one of the things I like about it. I've always had trouble with barre chords, but on this guitar, I think I'm finally going to be able to really practice barre chords without feeling like I'm pressing a rock against a volcano. |
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