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holy damn, rob
slice of the world in g2 form
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MitchK1989
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:58 am Post subject:
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| 3phase wrote: | actually clavia should place the smiley on the final product...
I cant think of a better symbol for the fun part of the oscilator... |
White noise is the fun part of the osc? 
If they had the samples and wavetables on osc 1 as well as two this would be so much better...
EDIT: wtf clavia?
| Quote: | | The Nord Wave has still long to go in development, but where our competitors would only exibit a mock-up displayed in glas casing we were mighty proud to have a fully working prototype and being confident enought to allow trade show visitors to go one on one with the unit! |
You think attacking a well loved synthesizer company that just came out of insolvency is going to net you new buyers for your much weaker wavetable synth? |
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dorremifasol
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:05 am Post subject:
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hmm not nice, Clavia-=1
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:17 am Post subject:
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| MitchK1989 wrote: | | You think attacking a well loved synthesizer company that just came out of insolvency is going to net you new buyers for your much weaker wavetable synth? |
Well, there were more companies just showing their idea's only, so I wonder if a particular factory was meant... Most are a little bit 'drawn back' at the market now-a-days.
Anyway, they worked their guts out to get the Wave 'almost' ready to be presented on the Messe. They are proud about that.
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3phase
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:27 am Post subject:
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| its not a bad product...adressing the live keyboard player ..studio samplers are pretty dead..you can buy an emulator IV second hand for a few hundred euros |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:01 am Post subject:
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| Rob wrote: |
Many Chinese themselves also work under conditions that would be totally unacceptable in most of the world. Still, China is probably already economic power number one in the world and all one can hope for is that the increase in general wealth in China will eventually better the conditions for the common man there, like it happened in Europe over the last hundred and fifty years.
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Absolutely. I couldn't have put it better myself.
It makes me thank my cotton socks after I realised what the people of Britain endured though the building of Empire. I just wish Britain would now finally grasp that its empire has been and gone.
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capfindus
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:20 am Post subject:
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| 3phase wrote: | | adressing the live keyboard player .. |
I need more than 49 keys...
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dasz
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:59 am Post subject:
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A good documentary on the effect of globalization ... it's not just the people who are suffering ...
http://www.mongrelmedia.com/films/ManufacturedLandscapes.html
click here for images
we've had the most destructive winter in memory, including losing 3000+ trees in one storm that hit Stanley Park in Vancouver, all thanks to the recent upsurge in dirty power consumption on the other side of the pacific.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:00 am Post subject:
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| capfindus wrote: | | 3phase wrote: | | adressing the live keyboard player .. |
I need more than 49 keys...
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I thought about that too. For a performance synth, 5+ octaves seems reasonable.
Re: China - a lot of everything is manufactured in China these days. I don't know for sure, but I would guess that a lot of synth manufacturers even below the large players have factories in China.
/Stefan
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ian-s
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:01 am Post subject:
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| dasz wrote: | we've had the most destructive winter in memory, including losing 3000+ trees in one storm that hit Stanley Park in Vancouver, all thanks to the recent upsurge in dirty power consumption on the other side of the pacific.
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But all those coal burning power stations in China are making Australian mining companies very rich
Seriously, we just had some major floods in Northland. A one in 150yr event. Most likely the flood 150 years ago was not caused by global warming. |
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3phase
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject:
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| ups..the smiley way for the noise... ok..not too bad also... |
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suthnear
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A sample oscillator in an otherwise VA synth is an idea I am very surprised no-one has implemented before. I've been expecting access to add it to the virus TI (and I guess they might still do so) and waldorf's NAMM flyer stated that the stromberg was to come with a well-stocked sample library.
While I doubt that I'd buy a wave regardless of how good it might turn out to be (I have a moratorium on buying digital hardware synths), I'd be very willing to pay for an expansion board that added similar functionality to the g2. |
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iPassenger
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blue hell
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| suthnear wrote: | | I'd be very willing to pay for an expansion board that added similar functionality to the g2. |
It would certainly be nice if the G2 would be modular enough to allow for such expansions.
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NoiseLab
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It would not surprise me if they come up next year with a NordModular G3.
If you look at the history of the NordModular it seems logical:
NordModular G1 1998 - 2003 - Stopped because of hardware limitations! 
NordModular G2 2003 - 2008 - Open for hardware expansion??? if not...
NordModular G3 2008 - ????
On the other side as Kyma user it's fun to see this history, because the Capybara 320 from 1998 is still light-years ahead!!! *maniacal laughter*
P.S. Noodles are just limitations! |
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blue hell
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| NoiseLab wrote: | | P.S. Noodles are just limitations! |
That's an interesting statement 
As in that " limitations lead to noodles" ?
P.S. I've lusted for the Kyma thingy for quite long, but I got stuck into noodles, partially for the cost, in money and time, amd partially I don't know why really. And for the last few years I've been thinking I'd better not buy a Capybara because I expected something "new"
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dasz
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject:
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Limitations are just grooves... these impose an alternate structure to the optimal solution which would require new modules in the g2...
/Dasz |
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suthnear
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:35 am Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | It would certainly be nice if the G2 would be modular enough to allow for such expansions. |
I think it is. The one thing the g2 is missing in order for it to play samples is extended flash memory (and not a huge amount either: I've seen figures of 64-128MB bandied about for the wave). Since it already has an expansion slot, clavia could create an new expansion card that had this additional memory on it. The code is already being written for the wave (both the algos and the support tools) so the work would mostly be the requisite porting, which might not even be that difficult.
It's been some time since the g2 was released and I can't imagine clavia sells too many of them anymore (surely shown by the discontinuation of the g2x). However, at the same time, it's not like clavia is abandoning the product altogether because if they were, they would have discontinued the g2 and rack as well. A functionality upgrade like this could see a fresh cycle of marketing and reviews, which in turn could be a shot in the arm for g2 sales.
Well, that's my hope anyway... |
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | NoiseLab wrote: | | P.S. Noodles are just limitations! |
That's an interesting statement
As in that " limitations lead to noodles" ?
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Well, I think it's true. In a way your noodles map the limitations of the Nords like a prisoner's walk map the sides of his room.
That being said; a theoretical perfect Formula1 driver is also defined by the limitations of the car.
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P.S. I've lusted for the Kyma thingy for quite long, but I got stuck into noodles, partially for the cost, in money and time, amd partially I don't know why really. And for the last few years I've been thinking I'd better not buy a Capybara because I expected something "new" |
You could pick one of the modern languages... Because those can render or you can buy a larger computer those kinda demand that you pick different limitations.... Maybe writing code in sonnet form or as one huge palindrome or that would fit a three line 80 character signature or run in realtime on your phone....
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:03 am Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | It would certainly be nice if the G2 would be modular enough to allow for such expansions. |
They don't strictly need to add hardware to support wavetable/sample oscillator on the G2.
The G2 has a 6MB 'dynamic' flash file system. If you have 512 patches in your G2, that only uses about 1.5MB. So 4.5MB is free for storing samples. The patch file format already has an arbitrary length 'text pad' section. Adding wave table or modest size samples to the patch file itself should not be a problem. They could even just allow EPROM burner style hex data in the text pad itself. The new sample playback module could also be used for holding microtonal tuning data etc. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:09 am Post subject:
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I don't expect that the flash ram already installed in the G2 to be fast enough to use it as a sound source, specially considering that you may need to do some supersampling (to avoid aliasing) and multiple addressing.
Perhaps the flash transfer speed is the reason for not having more than 2 slots in the nord wave...
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| dorremifasol wrote: | I don't expect that the flash ram already installed in the G2 to be fast enough to use it as a sound source, specially considering that you may need to do some supersampling (to avoid aliasing) and multiple addressing.
Perhaps the flash transfer speed is the reason for not having more than 2 slots in the nord wave... |
Really? Even if it was just single-cycle wavetable stuff (not the full multisampling stuff from the wave)? Do you have any specific info as to why flash ram is too slow?
Whether a new hw expansion is necessary for this or not, I think it would be very exciting if they were to make a new expansion board, both as a new approach to the NM/NMG2 synth line development and as a new kick for G2 attractivity & sales. However, this is all probably more wishful thinking than being realistic. Whatever, it's always nice to get a warm & fuzzy feeling fantasizing about these things
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I again recomend a look to the emulator II which was a hell of a sampler with just 512 MB... its not necessary that samples play back with 96 K...
The elektron machinedrum UW just offers 2 MB...
but... beside that there are no ports in the G2 that would allow to install a hardware extension... only a port for the dsp expansion... maybe it would be possible to have an alternate expansion board? |
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