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mtvic

Joined: Feb 03, 2003 Posts: 526 Location: Townbank Cape May NJ
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject:
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Got to have that new t-shirt.
How do we get one?
anybody know.?
m _________________ "I'm the transmitter' I give information."
"You're the antenna,catch the vibration."
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simplesatisfaction
Joined: Mar 14, 2007 Posts: 9 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject:
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Doesn't the synth section of the Nord Stage have wavetables? How does that compare to this new synth? |
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mestlick
Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Posts: 5 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject:
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The idea of this synth really excites me! I've been focused on the G2 for a few years now, and I'm missing some of the synths that I sold to get it. I had a Korg DW-6000, and I really liked the sound of two grungy wavetable oscillators thru a real howling filter. I also had an Akai S2800 that I mostly used as a sampling drum machine. I think it would be great to have a modern standalone synth that could replace those two, especially if it sounds as good as the G2.
I'd like two oscillators with user loadable single cycle waves (like the Evolver). That would cover the DW-6000. If the multi-sampling capabilities also included separate filter and envelope settings per sample, that would make it a great sampling drum machine. If the oscillator settings were also per sample it would be like having a hybrid analog/digital drum machine such as the 909.
I think that the G2 does a great job as a replacement for vco/dco synths and analog drums (and obviously analog modulars), but the Wave could be a replacement for wavetable+analog filter synths, early samplers with analog filters, and sampling drum machines. |
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G2DREAM

Joined: Apr 27, 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Athens,Greece
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject:
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Great information Rob! Very nice Clavia 2007 Musicmesse report!
And so we dig out some info on the G2!
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SynthLord

Joined: Sep 27, 2005 Posts: 49 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:24 am Post subject:
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Rob wrote: | Here is what I was told by them in Frankfurt ... |
Great report, Rob!
Would you mind if I copied this info over to the Forum at Nord USA? Of course, you'd get full credit!
Or, if you like, you can join & cross-post it.
I wish I could be there! I'm so jealous ...
At the time everyone else at Armadillo had to finalize their travel plans, Clavia didn't know if this synth would be ready. I wish I could just book a flight to Frankfurt just for a few hours so I could play the Wave.
Yet again I suffer the spring-summer anxiety between a new Nord at Messe and getting one in my hands ...  _________________ Jason Stanfield
Armadillo Enterprises
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dorremifasol

Joined: Sep 28, 2006 Posts: 823 Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:31 am Post subject:
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I hope that they will release a rack version, and with 4 slots. 2 slots seems very insufficient to me. _________________ Cheers,
Albert |
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tomcat
Joined: Oct 14, 2005 Posts: 141 Location: earth
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:28 am Post subject:
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Quote: | 7) No LED-ring knobs. LED-ring knobs are quite expensive and by not using them the Nord Wave will be much cheaper. Instead, the sonic possibilities are much increased. This way the Nord Wave is the perfect step up from the Nordlead 1 and 2 or similar synthesizers. |
Thanks Clavia. With this you save me money, for me the Wave is not interesting without Encoders. Theres some new feature called total recall... 90s are back...
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:47 am Post subject:
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dorremifasol wrote: | I hope that they will release a rack version, and with 4 slots. 2 slots seems very insufficient to me. |
Keep in mind this synth is developed for the giging musician. See the 2 Slots as a performance mode, which mostly on other synths consists of only two Slots. A 4 Slot performance is rare. When sequencing mostly up to 16 slots are used (the number of Midi channels), but again, it isn't designed as a studio synth.
And a rack version...
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:52 am Post subject:
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SynthLord wrote: |
I wish I could be there! I'm so jealous ...
At the time everyone else at Armadillo had to finalize their travel plans, Clavia didn't know if this synth would be ready. I wish I could just book a flight to Frankfurt just for a few hours so I could play the Wave. |
Be sure you be there next time
We know a very nice hotel (very quite) and one of the best restaurants in Frankfurt nearby! The best side of life
Quote: | Yet again I suffer the spring-summer anxiety between a new Nord at Messe and getting one in my hands ...  |
That spring-summer feeling is exactly the reason why we are always going to Frankfurt: the nice time of the year starts!
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dorremifasol

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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:51 am Post subject:
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Wout, the Nord Lead 2X, 3 and the G2 all have 4 slots and all are more or less designed for performances.
Slot 1 : bass
Slot 2 : ambient or strings
Slot 3 : lead
Slot 4 : drums
That's my favorite setup!
With the Nord Wave I feel that the 4 slots will be more necessary than ever, just because it "could have" a great service as a drum machine.
Well it's only my point of view  _________________ Cheers,
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NoiseLab

Joined: Mar 02, 2005 Posts: 68 Location: Zandvoort, the Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject:
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Rob wrote: | There has been a mentioning of a G2 update from Clavia, some work has already been done, but there is quite a list of what could be in the next update. Anyway, no specific date for a release has been set, it might take some time. My guess is that after the Nord Wave has gone in production they will put some programmers on a G2 update. Then it would take a couple of months, maybe half a year or so. But this is just my personal guess and is not based on definitive info from Clavia.
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It would cool if Clavia will bring out an hardware upgrade for the G2 with NordWave technology. If you look at their Swedish neighbours of Elektron what they have done with the Machinedrum. They had the UserWave upgrade and that's really an complete new sound palette for the Machinedrum. And basically if you look at the concept of the NordWave it's quite the same of what you can do on the Machinedrum UW...
So Clavia, do some brainstorming for your NordModular G2  |
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simplesatisfaction
Joined: Mar 14, 2007 Posts: 9 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | dorremifasol wrote: | I hope that they will release a rack version, and with 4 slots. 2 slots seems very insufficient to me. |
Keep in mind this synth is developed for the giging musician. See the 2 Slots as a performance mode, which mostly on other synths consists of only two Slots. A 4 Slot performance is rare. When sequencing mostly up to 16 slots are used (the number of Midi channels), but again, it isn't designed as a studio synth.
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But why limit it if you don't have to? It seems odd to me.
I also would second the opinion that it's not worth the reduction in price to lose the fuctionality of LED rings. (I would rather pay a little more and have a more functional synth.) I would be curious to know what the price difference would be. And I hope they had some good marketing research behind that decision to find out if less people would really buy it at a higher price with LED rings. |
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dasz

Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1644 Location: victoria, canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject:
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mtvic wrote: | Got to have that new t-shirt.
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Nothing beats a
Front:
Clavia
Back:
DUBJAZZTECHNOPOP
Go create your own musical crossover.
nord
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davep

Joined: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 467 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject:
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Rob wrote: | has many extra features when compared to the Nordleads, like the wavetables, samples and the built in FX, tone control and tube overdrive emulation. The tone control can make it sound with a sharper bite or instead warmer and more mellow as the Nordleads.
/Rob |
Hi Rob,
Hmmm.. I wonder where they could have gotten this idea for a 'tone control' that makes it sound 'warmer and more mellow'? You wouldn't know anything about this, would you?  _________________ Dave Peck |
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T7
Joined: Jun 19, 2006 Posts: 105 Location: Cali
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject:
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T7 wrote: | Micro Modular with wavetables. |
I was close.  |
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dorremifasol

Joined: Sep 28, 2006 Posts: 823 Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject:
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I have seen the video at SonicState, unfortunately Bjorn didn't played the thing, so I'm still wondering what crazy sounds will it make.
Any chances to hear something from it?? _________________ Cheers,
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Wout Blommers

Joined: Sep 07, 2003 Posts: 4529 Location: The Hague - The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject:
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dorremifasol wrote: | Slot 1 : bass
Slot 2 : ambient or strings
Slot 3 : lead
Slot 4 : drums |
And you play it all with just one keyboard?
Nah...
You are sequencing, of course!
IMHO the wave is a performance synth:
Slot 1 : basic sound
Slot 2 : the icing on that sound
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Tim Kleinert
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:49 am Post subject:
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I use Nord synths for live performance, and yes, I do often need more than 2 slots.
This is a very frequent configuration:
Slot 1: some polyphonic sound (eg. an electric piano patch)
Slot 2: a pad layer, which can be faded in/out via a footcontroller
Slot 3: a lead sound
(the keyboard is splitted, so the left hand plays slot 1&2, and the right hand slot 3)
Other scenario: I have four different sounds which I need for a song ,spread out over the four slots. In this way, I can set up and access the sounds very easily by just selecting the slots. Also: no sound is cut off or silenced because of switching patches. I use this very often on a Nord.
Another scenario: I played a 50-dates tour two years ago with only one G2X and a second MIDI-keyboard, where each keyboard controlled two slots. This was very practical, as I only needed to switch between performances to change the entire keyboard setup.
Sure, I'll get along with 2 slots too -but the notion "players don't need more than two slots anyway" is totally wrong in my opinion.
I think the real reason for Clavia to reduce the slots is because of the dedicated FX per slot. A decent reverb does eat up considerable DSP power, so the question of having two or four of them is relevant indeed. |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:32 am Post subject:
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tim wrote: | I think the real reason for Clavia to reduce the slots is because of the dedicated FX per slot. A decent reverb does eat up considerable DSP power, so the question of having two or four of them is relevant indeed. |
I don't know for sure about the FX...
Is it each Slot it's own or is it global?
Surely the size of the samples is an argument too.
More DSP's and LED-encoders will bring this synths to the price-wise higher regions in the catalogues.
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Tim Kleinert
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:36 am Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | tim wrote: | I think the real reason for Clavia to reduce the slots is because of the dedicated FX per slot. A decent reverb does eat up considerable DSP power, so the question of having two or four of them is relevant indeed. |
I don't know for sure about the FX...
Is it each Slot it's own or is it global?
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I assumed that the FX are for each slot.
Wout Blommers wrote: | Surely the size of the samples is an argument too. |
Absolutely. But there is no connection between this and the slot number or DSP power.
Wout Blommers wrote: | More DSP's and LED-encoders will bring this synths to the price-wise higher regions in the catalogues. |
...which I personally wouldn't mind paying for. |
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:56 am Post subject:
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I'm guessing the led ring-encoder thing has a few problems with RoHS for some reason right now. Behringer has also stopped production of the BCF/BCR2000 controllers. |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:57 am Post subject:
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tim wrote: | I assumed that the FX are for each slot. |
I don't know...
The flyer talks about 'two of everything' and on the panel the FX part has a different colour, which could mean 'global'.
Time will tell.
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blue hell
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:07 am Post subject:
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jksuperstar wrote: | I'm guessing the led ring-encoder thing has a few problems with RoHS for some reason right now. Behringer has also stopped production of the BCF/BCR2000 controllers. |
Could be, Clavia folks said it was the LCD's and "some other things"  _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Tim Kleinert
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:25 am Post subject:
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However -I played the NordWave for quite a while (it was freely on display for playing) and really liked what came out. Looking forward to it. |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:45 am Post subject:
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And because nothing is decided yet (maybe even not the name...), expressing your idea's (within the concept, of course) here could change things
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