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M185 sequencer Project - NEW PCB VERSION
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adambee7



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Guys

Just need a confirmation for C6. I used this

http://uk.farnell.com/vishay-bc-components/bfc247076334/capacitor-0-33uf-63v/dp/1166040?Ntt=1166040

Should be alright? The footprint seems to be for something larger. Any help guys would be appreciated. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You will struggle to get the cap from Farnell to fit, as it is only 5mm spacing.

I'll probably use one of these though:

http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Capacitors/Polyester/Metallised-polyester-capacitors/75175

Edit: was originally looking at the wrong cap. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

1 spread the legs flat and bend. The leads are quite long not like your normal metal box and it does fit. It's just is it the right one as in quality. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I used 5% here - no problems noticed!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject:  slide switches
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If anyone wants to sell me their set of slide switches for this project, please PM me with details. (i.e. if you purchased an extra set of slide switches that you aren't going to use or if you changed your mind about the build etc)

Thanks!
Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It does fit.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: slide switches
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cold c wrote:
If anyone wants to sell me their set of slide switches for this project, please PM me with details. (i.e. if you purchased an extra set of slide switches that you aren't going to use or if you changed your mind about the build etc)

Thanks!
Very Happy



A couple of people have asked me for panels laid out for rotary switches -

Whilst i dont have the motivation to design such a panel, im quite happy to cut them.

The panels would have to be slightly larger, but the wiring could possibly be simpler as a result.

Anyway, if not having the slide switches is holding you back from this project, why not just go for rotaries?

(indeed, i almost chose rotaries initially)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

adambee7 wrote:
It does fit.


Indeed !

But check your wiring of the Wire-Links, as I think
you have put in to many.
Have a look at the build documentation, you shouldn't
fit all the wire links.

-ryk
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: slide switches
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The panel I made up for rotary switches should easily transport to Eurorack (it is Frac at the mo) I could modify the design and pop it up here over the weekend... I think it would work out at 60HP...

Charlie

julian wrote:
cold c wrote:
If anyone wants to sell me their set of slide switches for this project, please PM me with details. (i.e. if you purchased an extra set of slide switches that you aren't going to use or if you changed your mind about the build etc)

Thanks!
Very Happy



A couple of people have asked me for panels laid out for rotary switches -

Whilst i dont have the motivation to design such a panel, im quite happy to cut them.

The panels would have to be slightly larger, but the wiring could possibly be simpler as a result.

Anyway, if not having the slide switches is holding you back from this project, why not just go for rotaries?

(indeed, i almost chose rotaries initially)

Julian

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ryktnk wrote:
adambee7 wrote:
It does fit.


Indeed !

But check your wiring of the Wire-Links, as I think
you have put in to many.
Have a look at the build documentation, you shouldn't
fit all the wire links.

-ryk


Oh heck have I. Thanks for pointing that out. I will get right on it. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just did a search for sp8t slide switches just out of curiosity.

Well, I found them....but Shocked $8.16 apiece or $7.381 if you buy 10-49?

http://www.ttiinc.com/page/search_results.html?s=1144375414_11

Actually I found some Chinese ones cheaper but the minimum order was 5,000 pieces...probably not going to build quite that many Wink

[edit] Or--if you wannbe a bit wacky--you could use a SPST toggle switch in combination with a DP4T slider to access all 8 options. Wire it so that with the SPST in the low position you get 1 to 4 repeats, and in the upper position 5 to 8 repeats (higher position would be +4 repeats). Like I said, it's a wacky idea, but it would have the added advantage of allowing you to increase the repeats by 4 without having to cycle through the other positions...as if you can't do that fast enough with an 8T switch.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I can't tell from looking at the wiring schematic what order the gate modes connect to the switches.
p1 0
p2 I
p3 II
p4 I-
or
p4 0
p3 I
p2 II
p1 I-

The max stages switch and the stage count switches aren't labeled either so I'm guessing they go in order. p1=1, p2=2,..


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nevermind,. it's the first one.
p1 0
p2 I
p3 II
p4 I-

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok,. I've got the thing built and it works great except for the portamento.
I'm using v2.1 firmware and setting the steps in the extended mode with the reset button but it has no effect.

I've swapped out the 4066 ic and checked the wiring.
It's receiving 5v. Pins 1 and 2 range between 0 and 3v.
What should I check next?
Thanks,
J

EDIT: All fixed,. I had forgotten C13.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here are photos of the finished sequencers..
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The panel is hand cut, painted, and silk screened.
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All is well except that the internal clock isn't working in one of them.
Any suggestions on where to start troubleshooting?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

j.dilisio wrote:
Here are photos of the finished sequencers..


Hello

These look great !
Really like the white panel look, and great work
for DIY screen-printing.

Glad you got the Portamento working.

About the problem with the internal clock:-

Obviously check all the components around IC2.
First check you are using a UB or UBE for IC2.

Check the IC3 flip-flop is working, the
cathode [-] end of D4 should toggle between 0v and 5v on
each press of the STRT/STOP switch.
If it is always low [0v] then this will stop the clock from running.

Sorry for delay - on festive duties.

-ryk
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

They look really good in white. Excellent stuff. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wow, those look really sexy! What's in-between the two?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

emdot_ambient wrote:
What's in-between the two?


I'm guessing it's a Klee.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Adam-V wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:
What's in-between the two?

I'm guessing it's a Klee.

Was thinking the same thing, but that would just be too much of a good thing to be true Wink i.e. I'm jealous!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:19 pm    Post subject: wiring dude Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi, to all, i am been working on the sequencer on christmas, ok now i have a doubt, on the schematics, in the stage count in SW8_1 there are a lot of resistors but

do i have to wire all pins of SW8_1 to SW8_2, or only the pin 8?
(i have the same doubt on SW4_1 to SW4_2)

the others switchs are clear on the schematics but i have this doubt.

for now that is all i have many questions on the future, i promise you, hahaha,

happy new year to all

Fernando.
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dancelwerk wrote:
hi, to all, i am been working on the sequencer on christmas, ok now i have a doubt, on the schematics, in the stage count in SW8_1 there are a lot of resistors but

do i have to wire all pins of SW8_1 to SW8_2, or only the pin 8?
(i have the same doubt on SW4_1 to SW4_2)

the others switchs are clear on the schematics but i have this doubt.

for now that is all i have many questions on the future, i promise you, hahaha,

happy new year to all

Fernando.


Hello

You should wire ALL the 1-8 pins of the the switches together, except
the "pole" pin of the switch.
Sorry it is not too clear.

-ryk
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:32 pm    Post subject: more problems Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi again, i wired all connections, less pin 1 at all, and i have the following problems

.- the sequencer run
.- leds working in the order of the pots
.- start, stop, next, reset and prev, works

now the problems,

.- i have only a note on forever, not gate never, is like when you hold a key forever
.- tempo is very fast in the minimal position and light speed in the maximal
.- any potenciometer of the steps responds.
.- mode and step division doesn't work
.- the stage gate mode control and stage count control doesn't work

that is all, for now.

i hope somebody can help me. Can the people who finish the sequencer put pictures of the wiring? i think this pictures could be very helpful to people like me. Embarassed Wink

Thanks in advance

Fernando.
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dancelwerk wrote:
hi again, i wired all connections, less pin 1 at all, and i have the following problems

Fernando.


Hello

Sorry to hear you have a few problems.
I am away on holiday until end of next week, so am
unable to check the circuits.
But I will try and help a little until then.


.- any potentiometer of the steps responds.
Please check that you have the diode wired for each POT as
shown the wiring diag.
Does the CV out respond with the POTs ?
Are all the LEDs on at once ?
If yes to both questions then the wiring is wrong for the POTs



.- mode and step division doesn't work
How many counts do you get per stage ?
Is it one clock pulse or more ?
Do the stage LEDs pulse per stage or full brightness per stage ?
Also make sure you wired the Stage Switches P1-8 in series, and not
the Q1 [pole] of the switches.
Check all the diodes are the correct orientation on the switches

Let me know how you get on.

-ryk
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: we will make it easy Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi again, i think is better for you follow the wiring job, i unwired all and start again, i built the xerox design, i take a picture for you is not a good picture, i will try to get another camera for a better macro pictures, but i think is better to correct possible errors and could be a good tutorial for future amateur builders like me.

look the picture and say me if i am going in the correct way.

thanks a lot and sorry to be a pain in the ass Embarassed Embarassed


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