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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So is this wonder of modern magic going to be available to the common man soon, or are you going to continue to tease us with these seeming feats of magic?

How more plainly can I say it?...I want one!

Thanks for all the great work Scott!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I might want to try to mod one for use with digital synths maybe ... which shouldn't be too hard as you already split out everything comfy & nicely ... can I sign up for the board and the kit already?


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So is this wonder of modern magic going to be available to the common man soon, or are you going to continue to tease us with these seeming feats of magic?


That's all being planned. Right now the design is in a state of flux - I'm mainly working on refining the signal acquistion, which is where all of this new stuff is coming from. The goal is to do the switching without a lot of hideous wiring and to keep the switches simple and as few in number as possible. The idea is that one can have the board, but not have to include every little gadget it supplies - some may just want a little ribbon bender, but nothing else, etc., etc. Even the full kanhuna will not be a huge panel experience like the Klee.

Another goal is to keep the circuit parts in the realm of the readily accessible for anyone to get (no unobtainium). Other than the SoftPot itself, the circuit uses widely available parts.

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It sounds like you went inside my head, looked at everything I wanted a controller fo my synth to be, and then made it! I can't wait to build it.


Actually, your brain was downloaded and put on file some months back. Didn't you read the fine print when you signed up to electro-music?

Laughing

Today I tried another thing that I've been wanting to implement. It's a special case of applying external signals and gates. It mainly is for taking advantage of the auto-lag circuit. My SH-201 has a portamento mode that only applies glide during legato play (I hope I'm using the right terminology here). In other words, if you play individual notes, there is no glide. If you press one key, then press another, the note will slide up or down between the two. It's a very expressive means of playing a keyboard, and I use it all the time.

The autolag circuit is basically the same thing. It doesn't glide until the first sample is taken, then the glide is automatically initiated. It always does this, but if you have "glide" set to zero, you never hear it on the Appendage. Anyway, I hooked up my keyboard CV and the gate output, and, it worked just fantastic! Even on very, very long releases, no de-tuning from droop can be heard. It's very smooth, and it's as if the keyboard were directly hooked to the VCO - but it's not - it's going through the maw of the Appendage S&H circuitry. The Appendage is actually creating the gates and triggers as well. In this mode, the ribbon does nothing.

Not only does it work for keyboards, but I think it would for sequencers as well, particularly the Klee, which can provide a gate over several steps using the merge switches. The first step would not glide, but as long as the gate was high, the following notes would glide. When the gate drops, the last value is held by the Appendage circuit.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Some handy-dandy artwork. And yes, that is a finger that I'm attempting to draw......


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Scott:

Thanks for giving us the finger. Very tantalizing.

But what we're all waiting for is the video!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

More artwork...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Scott Stites wrote:
...And yes, that is a finger ....


you're not fooling me,
i know it's your nose...
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Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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i know it's your nose...


A month or so ago, it was often my forehead. I definitely, in the course of things, have found unique combinations of swear words.....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very basic apps.

I don't think I've mentioned it, but I've got State Machine helping out with PCBs and distribution.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's a patch that allows you to rule the world with two fingers.

All three VCOs follow the slide voltage. VCO2 is bent up and down even more with the bend voltage. VCO1 and VCO2 provide the signal to the filter and signal VCA. VCO3 is bent by the TFS voltage, and is routed through a second VCA controlled by the TFS back to the modulation input.

With one finger, the first two VCOs track at different values up and down. Pressing two fingers and spreading them apart introduces FM from VCO3. Sliding one finger up from initial bends VCO2 up as the FM is introduced, sliding one finger down from initial bends VCO3 down as FM is introduced. The various movement of the fingers in relation to each other also affects the general pitch of the modulating VCO in different ways, in addition to increasing and decreasing the modulation index.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Scott Stites wrote:
I don't think I've mentioned it, but I've got State Machine helping out with PCBs and distribution.


Oh!.......
My layout skills not good enough anymore hey?!? Shocked
I knew you were seeing someone else behind my back!! Bitch!! Laughing

Just joking, I've got way too much on my plate these days anyway. I couldn't possibly fit in a ribbon controller unless you made an appointment maybe a year or so in advance. Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I like the new name Scott Cool Mark III Appendage !! The diagrams really sum up the major modes nicely and you have not even touched on the "Hyper Trigger" modes using drum voices. Much easier I think than trying to explain in pure text Wink I never learned so much from getting the finger. Your finger has such perfectly round nails and the knuckle crease, is that a modified ground symbol from your schematic capture? Laughing Oh dear, I must be tired, sorry for the bad humor ........ Embarassed

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I knew you were seeing someone else behind my back!! Bitch!!


I believe that long distance relationship with you Andy was getting to Scott, now he only has to travel 1500 miles to see me ........... Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No Andy,

You design a mean PCB (you did a bang-up job on the Klee and the much fabled MPS). It's just that, for this project, Bill's looking at designing an integrated system with analog/digital applications as well as using it as an adjunct to the IKC. He's got all the tools for that kind of stuff right there, so it's just as easy for him to knock out this PCB. Don't think you're going to easily escape proto duties (that is, if you're game).

Isn't that a nicely manicured finger? And, those are painstakingly rendered knuckle-wrinkles, I'll have you know.... Very Happy

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Isn't that a nicely manicured finger? And, those are painstakingly rendered knuckle-wrinkles, I'll have you know.... Very Happy


Arrrrrr, even pirates want to play with the Appendage .........


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

State Machine wrote:
Your finger has such perfectly round nails and the knuckle crease, is that a modified ground symbol from your schematic capture?


Oh, I think it's pretty clear what's going on here! Shocked
How could I have been so blind?!? Confused Laughing

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Arrrrrr, even pirates want to play with the Appendage .........


Laughing

It's said that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has one for each of its noodly appendages.....

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Oh, I think it's pretty clear what's going on here! Shocked
How could I have been so blind?!?


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Scott Stites wrote:
... noodly appendages.....


woohoo!
when can i get this special "noodly appendage" ?
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Scott Stites wrote:
..., but I've got State Machine helping out with PCBs and distribution.

ha, so the appendage controller is almost cut and dried? together with andy's and bill's TH keyboardcontroller this will be... err... my poor english can't express it!
now my plan is to build 2009 a keyboard synth with these controllers. i am so happy now, can't wait.

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ha, so the appendage controller is almost cut and dried?


Yep - the hardest part (signal acquisition) has settled out nicely, and there's a good current source set up for the current mode. The only thing that needs settled on is the output selection - basically determining what we can get away with and still keep it a relatively compact board. That goes slowly, because I can only get real work done during the weekend. Last night I worked out a simple switch arrangement that will allow the different modes to be selected easily, while keeping to common and easily accessible switches (I've been fighting my tendency to use C&K 7211s mainly because they're not quite so common, and they're usually rather expensive).

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bugfight wrote:
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no, i think he he plays by ear...

ta dum.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Scott Stites wrote:

Last night I worked out a simple switch arrangement that will allow the different modes to be selected easily, while keeping to common and easily accessible switches (I've been fighting my tendency to use C&K 7211s mainly because they're not quite so common, and they're usually rather expensive).

Cheerios,
Scott


has anyone tried these? i keep forgetting to order a sample, but it's on my next mouser order list. i have some 7211s to compare them against and i'll try to remember to post the results when they show up.
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=JTMHOUw%252b%2fhnWG0t2ApqIUA%3d%3d

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has anyone tried these? i keep forgetting to order a sample, but it's on my next mouser order list. i have some 7211s to compare them against and i'll try to remember to post the results when they show up.


Wow - never knew that one existed! I'd be interested to know your results. A lot of people are down on Mountain Switches, but I've used them without problems for years now. Last bunch I bought I put into the Klee, and it's been just fine now for a year or so.

I would never have been able to afford stuffing that puppy with NKK, that's for sure. Very Happy

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Great project Scott, if you need beta testers for the boards, count me in.
Did you know that you can now order the softpots directly from Spectra Symbol, I got a dozen 500mm pots from them a couple months ago, for experimenting with my own Pic based Midi ribbon controllers.
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